Rashig Pool balls
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Good morning, Deanoc. 
I know where a (pristine) set might be found, sir. I've sent you a private message.
Best wishes,
RC.
I know where a (pristine) set might be found, sir. I've sent you a private message.
Best wishes,
RC.
The company stopped making balls a long time ago. They haven't been sold in the US since 1993 or so. Here is a post in a thread that discusses them:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=2321653
If in fact they have the throw issue that was discussed in that thread, they would be unplayable for me.
Dean, as you know I like nice things. I considered getting a new set of these and you will find them on AZ in the FS forum now and then. I changed my mind and here is why. Anyone you play aainst will feel you have an unfair advantage as your house set. Second, anywhere you ever play other than home, you will have to adjust. I decided to stay with and rotate my Centennials and Aramith's.
Good luck.
Good luck.
I think it’s quite easy and seems standard these days to jump on the forum and toss out one’s opinion on this or that ball set and which is best, most attractive, throws more or less, sounds different, cleans up better/worse ad infinitum. All reasonable opinions of course. To the guy making them.
For the players that use the reasoning or their answer as to why so and so has an advantage because of a particular ball set, I offer my opinion that you may as well say it’s because so and so is playing better than you that rack, match, or entire day. If any one of us “decent” players can’t walk in to anyone’s home or place of play and adjust to the balls on the table - and the conditions we find ourselves in - within 30 min max, it’s most likely not the balls. Or conditions. Or table. It’s you - that day. I’m assuming (of course) that all reasonable factors are there such as same weighted object balls to cue ball - and the table has no peculiar roll-offs or goofy spots that the owner knows about. Both guys using the same chalk and that it’s not leaving chalk on the balls like a kid with a chocolate bar. And that the table isn’t outside on a pool deck, cruise ship or treehouse. Decent balls. Clean. Not polished. Not waxed. Made within the last 40 years. From any manufacturer.
Isn’t it funny how we as players can justify having 3-45 cues and untold cases as well as enough chalk options to write a detailed article for BD, but let’s limit ourselves to one or two ball sets and say the others cause advantages or limitations.
And bringing “your balls” to the club or my table or to John’s treehouse table won’t matter because the conditions will be different. Every day.
Hmmm. On second thought - maybe it is the balls! I was wondering why the guys that come to my place can’t play. It’s unfair. Anyone want to buy a hundred sets or so?
~K
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For the players that use the reasoning or their answer as to why so and so has an advantage because of a particular ball set, I offer my opinion that you may as well say it’s because so and so is playing better than you that rack, match, or entire day. If any one of us “decent” players can’t walk in to anyone’s home or place of play and adjust to the balls on the table - and the conditions we find ourselves in - within 30 min max, it’s most likely not the balls. Or conditions. Or table. It’s you - that day. I’m assuming (of course) that all reasonable factors are there such as same weighted object balls to cue ball - and the table has no peculiar roll-offs or goofy spots that the owner knows about. Both guys using the same chalk and that it’s not leaving chalk on the balls like a kid with a chocolate bar. And that the table isn’t outside on a pool deck, cruise ship or treehouse. Decent balls. Clean. Not polished. Not waxed. Made within the last 40 years. From any manufacturer.
Isn’t it funny how we as players can justify having 3-45 cues and untold cases as well as enough chalk options to write a detailed article for BD, but let’s limit ourselves to one or two ball sets and say the others cause advantages or limitations.
And bringing “your balls” to the club or my table or to John’s treehouse table won’t matter because the conditions will be different. Every day.
Hmmm. On second thought - maybe it is the balls! I was wondering why the guys that come to my place can’t play. It’s unfair. Anyone want to buy a hundred sets or so?
~K
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Dean -
The numberless Raschig 9-Ball set (the one I posted in this thread) hasn’t been “made” for the last 25 years or so but they are infrequently available out there in conditions ranging from flawless, new, never-played to completely wore out and damaged.
Just like Centennials for the last 4 decades.
~ K
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Good evening, everyone.
Very true, Mr K, and I'm often astonished at the prices still commanded by the extremely worn sets!
The Raschig Turniersatz 9 Ball set is something a little bit special. As a collector I consider them to be one of the most desirable and beautiful sets ever made; and as a competitor probably the most responsive and consistent billiard balls I ever had the pleasure of playing.
Best wishes,
RC.
Very true, Mr K, and I'm often astonished at the prices still commanded by the extremely worn sets!
The Raschig Turniersatz 9 Ball set is something a little bit special. As a collector I consider them to be one of the most desirable and beautiful sets ever made; and as a competitor probably the most responsive and consistent billiard balls I ever had the pleasure of playing.
Best wishes,
RC.
Borrowed from the pool ball collecting thread in case anybody would like a little extra information about this wonderful set.
I'm not interested in either the collectability or playability of it and I understand that brand has not been made in decades but would anyone know where I could purchase the 9 ball in that style ( with or without the "9" on it - preferably with it though ) by itself or in a set. Would like to purchase a single ball or two but might buy set if necessary. TIA all!
I love my Raschig 9 ball set and have sense the day I got them.
If I had to buy another set I would probably get the Aramith set from Germany- http://www.ortmann-billiards.com/epages/15204264.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15204264/Products/4599 I think these would work great, now if they would make a cool 10 ball version or just the 10 ball.
Good luck.
Stan
If I had to buy another set I would probably get the Aramith set from Germany- http://www.ortmann-billiards.com/epages/15204264.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15204264/Products/4599 I think these would work great, now if they would make a cool 10 ball version or just the 10 ball.
Good luck.
Stan
It looks like the Aramith Premiere 9-ball set has a 9 just like that. See the post by ipoppa33
Here's some pretty good info....regardless of the source.
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FL was a dealer and sold these balls back in the early 90’s. When he toured worldwide, he played with both sets, the 9 ball set, and the full 16 ball set, from 1993 to 2000. Fl still uses the 15 ball set today, when he plays by himself in practice.
This Raschig Numbered 1-15 Billiard Ball Set is SCARCE – Not that many sets were sold here.
Raschig Made These Balls In Extremely Limited Quantities And They Are NO LONGER Being Manufactured and have not been for sale since 1993, 21 years ago.
Raschig Billiard Balls, Also Known As "Case Resin" Balls, Have A Phenol and Formaldehyde Base. They have the best feel, and separation of any ball ever made, it’s like playing with ivory.
These Balls Are Lighter Than The Cellulose Equivalent And Have Superb Coloring And A More Translucent Appearance, 5.6 ozs compared to 6.0 ozs from Aramiths, and they are a tad smaller, 57mm, compared to 57.15mm. This made them play a little different.
The Experiments On This Ball Were Carried Out By Brilliant German Scientist "Dr. Koebner" who later was responsible for the “Vitalite” Ball out of England. When FL asked him, calling him on the phone in Germany, why they sold for double the price of the Aramiths, he replied, because they are perfect, more round and perfect than a ball Bearing in a German tank. Perfect always costs more.
The price being double, meant few sets were sold in the US, the players just would not pay to have, perfect balls. Plus they did not like playing with balls with balls that looked like the cheaper set of crowns by Aramith, and paying double what Centennials cost at that time. They did not like the design and they did not like a plain white cue ball. This is what creates this set today, being so rare and hard to find. Sales on there were scant. That is why you see so few sets come up for sale, there are not that many out there. , for sale, ever.
Raschig Only Used Very High Quality Dyed Cast Phenolic Resins in a Formaldehyde base, “case Resin”, The Balls Are Highly Polished So They Maintain Their Luster and Also Makes The Balls Extremely Resistant To Damage. The played like ivories of old. They were the ultimate ball experience. FL played with ivory carom balls and he loved his Raschig set, and even carried around with him a 2nd set of all 15 in a carry case, which all had numbers on them. Aramith bought Raschig out and blended it into their company and that high quality ball line ceased to be made. They found the process, too expensive. That was one way, to get rid of your competition making a superior product to yours.
Raschig Billiard Balls Are The Most Accurate and finest Of Any Pool Ball Ever Created.
Their Exact Center Of Gravity Is In The Absolute Middle Of The Ball And They Always Maintain Their Spherical Shape. Their specs and tolerances were totally superior to the Aramiths of that day.
They Do Not Show Any Dimensional/Weight Tolerance Variation
They Are Fully Resistant To High/Low Temperatures
The full sets, 1-15, are the same sizes and weights as the 9 ball set, but each ball is numbered, and the 9 ball is a standard design, the cue ball has a single very small black dot. They are not as rare and scarce as the 9 ball sets because a lot of pool halls that opened in the NE, had 15-20 tables and bought sets for each table from Dufferin, who was pushing them at the time. They began cutting prices on volume sales like this. Problem is, these were played hard in a commercial environment for 20 years and most of those sets are all missing the paper box, and the balls are pretty well played out. If you have the paper box, it’s a good bet it was sold to an individual and the balls are not worn out or trashed. But those sets in XF condition, again are rare. Not everyone realized these balls were a tad smaller than normal, a few top pros that played with me with them, like Steve Lillis, commented that they were and spotted this. When I joined the pro world 9 ball tour I hung them up, because I needed to be playing with the same size and type of ball they were using, the Aramith super pros.
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FL was a dealer and sold these balls back in the early 90’s. When he toured worldwide, he played with both sets, the 9 ball set, and the full 16 ball set, from 1993 to 2000. Fl still uses the 15 ball set today, when he plays by himself in practice.
This Raschig Numbered 1-15 Billiard Ball Set is SCARCE – Not that many sets were sold here.
Raschig Made These Balls In Extremely Limited Quantities And They Are NO LONGER Being Manufactured and have not been for sale since 1993, 21 years ago.
Raschig Billiard Balls, Also Known As "Case Resin" Balls, Have A Phenol and Formaldehyde Base. They have the best feel, and separation of any ball ever made, it’s like playing with ivory.
These Balls Are Lighter Than The Cellulose Equivalent And Have Superb Coloring And A More Translucent Appearance, 5.6 ozs compared to 6.0 ozs from Aramiths, and they are a tad smaller, 57mm, compared to 57.15mm. This made them play a little different.
The Experiments On This Ball Were Carried Out By Brilliant German Scientist "Dr. Koebner" who later was responsible for the “Vitalite” Ball out of England. When FL asked him, calling him on the phone in Germany, why they sold for double the price of the Aramiths, he replied, because they are perfect, more round and perfect than a ball Bearing in a German tank. Perfect always costs more.
The price being double, meant few sets were sold in the US, the players just would not pay to have, perfect balls. Plus they did not like playing with balls with balls that looked like the cheaper set of crowns by Aramith, and paying double what Centennials cost at that time. They did not like the design and they did not like a plain white cue ball. This is what creates this set today, being so rare and hard to find. Sales on there were scant. That is why you see so few sets come up for sale, there are not that many out there. , for sale, ever.
Raschig Only Used Very High Quality Dyed Cast Phenolic Resins in a Formaldehyde base, “case Resin”, The Balls Are Highly Polished So They Maintain Their Luster and Also Makes The Balls Extremely Resistant To Damage. The played like ivories of old. They were the ultimate ball experience. FL played with ivory carom balls and he loved his Raschig set, and even carried around with him a 2nd set of all 15 in a carry case, which all had numbers on them. Aramith bought Raschig out and blended it into their company and that high quality ball line ceased to be made. They found the process, too expensive. That was one way, to get rid of your competition making a superior product to yours.
Raschig Billiard Balls Are The Most Accurate and finest Of Any Pool Ball Ever Created.
Their Exact Center Of Gravity Is In The Absolute Middle Of The Ball And They Always Maintain Their Spherical Shape. Their specs and tolerances were totally superior to the Aramiths of that day.
They Do Not Show Any Dimensional/Weight Tolerance Variation
They Are Fully Resistant To High/Low Temperatures
The full sets, 1-15, are the same sizes and weights as the 9 ball set, but each ball is numbered, and the 9 ball is a standard design, the cue ball has a single very small black dot. They are not as rare and scarce as the 9 ball sets because a lot of pool halls that opened in the NE, had 15-20 tables and bought sets for each table from Dufferin, who was pushing them at the time. They began cutting prices on volume sales like this. Problem is, these were played hard in a commercial environment for 20 years and most of those sets are all missing the paper box, and the balls are pretty well played out. If you have the paper box, it’s a good bet it was sold to an individual and the balls are not worn out or trashed. But those sets in XF condition, again are rare. Not everyone realized these balls were a tad smaller than normal, a few top pros that played with me with them, like Steve Lillis, commented that they were and spotted this. When I joined the pro world 9 ball tour I hung them up, because I needed to be playing with the same size and type of ball they were using, the Aramith super pros.
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Cool, thanks pappa!!!
Good morning, BMM.
Being an avid collector, I purchased a set of those numberless balls from Ortmann Billiards about six months ago. I can certainly attest to the company's customer service, it really is first class, but the same cannot be said, alas, about the quality of these particular balls They are no Raschigs that's for sure and, rather worryingly, not what one would expect from the estimable Saluc of Belgium either.
The box itself appears to be genuine Aramith but there is no insert tray, the balls not fitting inside very well and just left to rattle against one another in transit. The box and balls are definitely a mismatch. The colours in my box also featured several annoying blemishes, were somewhat dull in lustre and had a marked weight discrepancy when placed on the scales. I don't wish to come out and claim they are not authentic Aramiths but something is amiss, these are nothing like their usual exceptional quailty. Possibly seconds?
Yet here's the mystery... the yellow and black stripe (often called a bumblebee or wasp to us collectors) is of a noticeably superior quality to the other balls in the set, it still has one or two marks but I would even go as far to say that it might be a genuine Raschig!
Make of that what you will, gentlemen.
Best wishes,
RC.
Being an avid collector, I purchased a set of those numberless balls from Ortmann Billiards about six months ago. I can certainly attest to the company's customer service, it really is first class, but the same cannot be said, alas, about the quality of these particular balls They are no Raschigs that's for sure and, rather worryingly, not what one would expect from the estimable Saluc of Belgium either.
The box itself appears to be genuine Aramith but there is no insert tray, the balls not fitting inside very well and just left to rattle against one another in transit. The box and balls are definitely a mismatch. The colours in my box also featured several annoying blemishes, were somewhat dull in lustre and had a marked weight discrepancy when placed on the scales. I don't wish to come out and claim they are not authentic Aramiths but something is amiss, these are nothing like their usual exceptional quailty. Possibly seconds?
Yet here's the mystery... the yellow and black stripe (often called a bumblebee or wasp to us collectors) is of a noticeably superior quality to the other balls in the set, it still has one or two marks but I would even go as far to say that it might be a genuine Raschig!
Make of that what you will, gentlemen.
Best wishes,
RC.
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Good morning, BMM.
Being an avid collector, I purchased a set of those numberless balls from Ortmann Billiards about six months ago. I can certainly attest to the company's customer service, it really is first class, but the same cannot be said, alas, about the quality of these particular balls They are no Raschigs that's for sure and, rather worryingly, not what one would expect from the estimable Saluc of Belgium either.
The box itself appears to be genuine Aramith but there is no insert tray, the balls not fitting inside very well and just left to rattle against one another in transit. The box and balls are definitely a mismatch. The colours in my box also featured several annoying blemishes, were somewhat dull in lustre and had a marked weight discrepancy when placed on the scales. I don't wish to come out and claim they are not authentic Aramiths but something is amiss, these are nothing like their usual exceptional quailty. Possibly seconds?
Yet here's the mystery... the yellow and black stripe (often called a bumblebee or wasp to us collectors) is of a noticeably superior quality to the other balls in the set, it still has one or two marks but I would even go as far to say that it might be a genuine Raschig!
Make of that what you will, gentlemen.
Best wishes,
RC.
Well believe it or not, these sets are prob ideal for what I want ( aside from being able to buy recreations of the " Bumblebees " individually ) to do with them. I take pool balls and male them into shift knobs for trucks, cars, and boats. I'd just as soon not " ruin " a collectable unless I had to. I'm also looking for some cool looking 8 balls as well. I have ran across a few 8 balls on Amazon I might be interested in and they are all new production. Also I'm gonna get some of those 8 & 9 ball key chains with the inch, inch and a half balls for the throttles on my Chris Craft. I have a feeling drilling the wholes for the inserts for the smaller balls are gonna be a little trickier than the full size balls.From your knowledge of pool balls, do you think a high speed diamond tipped bit would be best? Been using carbide to varying degrees of success. Truth be told haven't messed with anything in quite some time
Hello again, BMM.
I don't really possess the expertise to advise you on the best drill bit, sir. When I was a cuemaker many moons ago customers occasionally asked me to fashion a gear shift or two, but I just used a little Myford modeller's lathe for the job.
Best wishes,
RC.
I don't really possess the expertise to advise you on the best drill bit, sir. When I was a cuemaker many moons ago customers occasionally asked me to fashion a gear shift or two, but I just used a little Myford modeller's lathe for the job.
Best wishes,
RC.
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I had a set of the 9 Ball Raschigs which I sold on his site to a member. Price was in the $350 range. I had lots of people who wanted to spend $250 to $300 but I thought they were worth more and so I held out. The buyer was delighted with the set and so Maybe something in the $300+ range is what you should expect to pay for something in excellent condition. There seems to be some question however about the cue ball on the Raschigs that I can't answer. The Raschig cue ball is supposed to has a small black dot on it. I think this is an issue with some when the set doesn't have this type of cue ball. I personally own one set of Raschigs and my cue ball appears to be of equal quality as the other balls but doesn't have the black dot. So, that is another question you need to know about. Hope this is helpful.
i thank you guys for the help
i located a set of the 9 ball,but i don't play 9 ball so
i passed
i bought a new set of centennials to match my table
i think i will just stick with them
i may sound stupid,but i thought all balls played the same
i didn't realize that the differences were noticeable
i don't need another distraction
i located a set of the 9 ball,but i don't play 9 ball so
i passed
i bought a new set of centennials to match my table
i think i will just stick with them
i may sound stupid,but i thought all balls played the same
i didn't realize that the differences were noticeable
i don't need another distraction
Good morning, BMM.
Being an avid collector, I purchased a set of those numberless balls from Ortmann Billiards about six months ago. I can certainly attest to the company's customer service, it really is first class, but the same cannot be said, alas, about the quality of these particular balls They are no Raschigs that's for sure and, rather worryingly, not what one would expect from the estimable Saluc of Belgium either.
The box itself appears to be genuine Aramith but there is no insert tray, the balls not fitting inside very well and just left to rattle against one another in transit. The box and balls are definitely a mismatch. The colours in my box also featured several annoying blemishes, were somewhat dull in lustre and had a marked weight discrepancy when placed on the scales. I don't wish to come out and claim they are not authentic Aramiths but something is amiss, these are nothing like their usual exceptional quailty. Possibly seconds?
Yet here's the mystery... the yellow and black stripe (often called a bumblebee or wasp to us collectors) is of a noticeably superior quality to the other balls in the set, it still has one or two marks but I would even go as far to say that it might be a genuine Raschig!
Make of that what you will, gentlemen.
Best wishes,
RC.
Rubik's Cube, thank you for the posting your experience! You saved a few people some money, thanks again.
Stan
Thank you, Ipoppa. You're very welcome, sir.
It's well known that Saluc (Aramith) purchased the rights to the Raschig billiard ball manufactory at some point in the early 1990s, only to shelve the brand due to its prohibitive process costs. I wonder, however, if they inherited a cache of those fabulous bumblebees which subsequently found their way into these hybrid sets? I neglected to mention that the set from Ortmann was also missing any sort of Aramith brochure inside the box, another sign that something isn't quite right here.
On the subject of the black-dotted cueball: I stand to be corrected but I believe that this was only present in certain sixteen-ball Raschig sets, I've never seen one in a ten-ball Tueniersatz. With regards prices for the legendary numberless sets, anything starting with a 3 seems to asked for play-worn sets in varying degrees of wear. A buyer would be extremely fortunate indeed to snag a pristine condition example for something approaching that figure.
The last mint, unused Raschig Turniersatz (in original box) I saw sold on eBay for $504 after a fierce battle between numerous bidders. It did not, however, sport one of the rare Raschig pamphlets... a desirable collectible in its own right.
Best wishes,
RC.
It's well known that Saluc (Aramith) purchased the rights to the Raschig billiard ball manufactory at some point in the early 1990s, only to shelve the brand due to its prohibitive process costs. I wonder, however, if they inherited a cache of those fabulous bumblebees which subsequently found their way into these hybrid sets? I neglected to mention that the set from Ortmann was also missing any sort of Aramith brochure inside the box, another sign that something isn't quite right here.
On the subject of the black-dotted cueball: I stand to be corrected but I believe that this was only present in certain sixteen-ball Raschig sets, I've never seen one in a ten-ball Tueniersatz. With regards prices for the legendary numberless sets, anything starting with a 3 seems to asked for play-worn sets in varying degrees of wear. A buyer would be extremely fortunate indeed to snag a pristine condition example for something approaching that figure.
The last mint, unused Raschig Turniersatz (in original box) I saw sold on eBay for $504 after a fierce battle between numerous bidders. It did not, however, sport one of the rare Raschig pamphlets... a desirable collectible in its own right.
Best wishes,
RC.