Raymond Ceulemans and Artemis Cues

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Hernan7

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Hey what's up everybody ! I just got my first check and I'm planning how to spend it in Europe. I already have the program fees and my round trip taken care of, now all I have to do is think about which cues I'm gonna bring back from Europe. I saw the Raymond Ceulemans and the Artemis cues being advertised in a belgium website and was wondering if they are good. Here is the link so you can see a few of them at pcbilliards.com. Does anyone know if I would have to pay taxes for the cues ?, or can I just tell them that I had them before I went to Europe ? or why not tell them that I'm a professional 3 cushion player :D ( I really wish I was !!!!!!! )and that I bought them in the US a few years ago ? hehe. I'll be waiting for your responses, thank you in advance.

http://www.pc-billiards.com/categories.php?cat=25&PHPSESSID=909894347811436549b741f2b383956c

I said "cues", plural, because I want to bring one for me and one for my dad, any suggestions will be appreciated.
 
What is on your budget, Hernan?

I say: Give it a go and buy the Ceuleman's carom cue for you and your jefe. As far as taxes returning back to the US, that is for you to do the research because I am not too sure if they apply taxes for cues.
 
SlickRick_PCS said:
What is on your budget, Hernan?

I say: Give it a go and buy the Ceuleman's carom cue for you and your jefe. As far as taxes returning back to the US, that is for you to do the research because I am not too sure if they apply taxes for cues.
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I got paid 200 dlls in this check, I work as a Spanish and French tutor, but I'll be getting 400 dlls in my next check because I worked more hours. Let's say I do not spend a single dollar from those checks, which is possible, and that maybe my jefe (dad) can contribute to the cause with a few dollars. Which cues do you think would be ok to buy?, We would like the same model because we don't want any disputes over which cue is nicer :D . Thanks again and I'll be waiting for your responses.
 
Hernan7 said:
I got paid 200 dlls in this check, I work as a Spanish and French tutor, but I'll be getting 400 dlls in my next check because I worked more hours. Let's say I do not spend a single dollar from those checks, which is possible, and that maybe my jefe (dad) can contribute to the cause with a few dollars. Which cues do you think would be ok to buy?, We would like the same model because we don't want any disputes over which cue is nicer :D . Thanks again and I'll be waiting for your responses.
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Are you in France right now?

If you are willing to, perhaps, go over to their distribution and try out their cues. Otherwise, I would go with two affordable costing cues that will leave you with extra euros so that you and your papa can as well spend time buying other necessities or billiard accessories.

My philosophy is that you start off with something small first; then, when you go around and (of course asking) playing other people's cues, ask for suggestions and some pointers about what they like about the cue and try to corelate to which you would like to have on your cue. Definately don't hit it big (like I did with my $300 Viking pool cue with ever so slight experience :( ).

IMHO, I fancy liking the Artemis Cue Mister 100 ? Model 8 for a start. As far as the weight goes, well.... that is for you to decide. My suggestion, if you're more of the small games, stick with lighter. But if you're gonna pull a Blomdahl and hit it big with 3 cushion, then go with the heavier (500g or 510g seems to sufice). Of course, go 12mm on the diameter of the tip for 3 cushion.
 
No, this aint right. The prices are TOO HIGH. I've selected a few cues, all the cues are around $50 higher than normal prices. I don't suggest you to buy your cues from this store. I'm from Holland, the country above Belgium. You can buy those cues for a lower prices.

You are wondering if Artemis are good cues. I can tell you, Artemis is quite popular, not because those are good cues, but because they are cheap. I've played with a few of them, but I don't like it. The quality are really poor. If you are quite new with the sport Billiards, you might consider to buy one, just because you are quite inexpercience in it. But if you want to buy a good one, you should not buy an Artemis.

Raymond Cuelemans on the other hand, makes quite nice cues. I haven't played with the newer one, but have played with an older one. Those are really nice. It's worth the value, but are quite expensive.

I'm playing with a Longoni P8 (around $250, quite cheap for a cue with real inlays) with a special shaft Pro2+ (around $150). Longoni also make one of the best billiard cues in the market. You can consider to buy a Longoni two or three star cue (will cost you around $250-$300). The weight around the cue is just perfect.
 
I'm not in France yet, I'll be there from January 31 to April 29 2008. And I agree with you (slick rick), I want to start with something small, please note that I only have 5 months of experience ( I've been playing since mid June), that's why I was asking about the Artemis cues because they seem good. Besides, my current 3 cushion teacher, an experienced player from the place I play, has one of those,he has the Artemis Cue Mister 100 Model 5. So far, I haven't seen him lose a match, players think twice when they play against him because they know they are going to lose. And I also agree with you WesleyW, I think the prices are too high because I saw the same cues in a Belgian website and they were at least 30 euros cheaper. Now the question is for WesleyW, what cue would you recommend me to buy in Europe taking in consideration my 5 months of experience?, is there a cheaper cue than the Longoni P8 that is good for a beginner ? Let's say I can spend 100 euros per cue. Thank you for your responses, I'll be waiting for more.
 
The time-honored adage is, "You get what you pay for." True here as in the rest of life. If you are determined to get a cue in Europe, then a Longoni is the most reasonable choice. Virtually all the other brands in the economy range are made in China or Korea and imported to be sold under various names. Longoni's work is excellent, and the shafts will stay dependably straight in all liklihood (that can't be said of the imported brands). Pick an economical butt end and get a good shaft. Of course, there ARE American carom cue makers, Ahem!!!
 
kilby said:
... Of course, there ARE American carom cue makers, Ahem!!!
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And if he finds the right cue maker, he can get a truly custom cue for not much more than a mass-produced commercial model.
 
Hi Hernan...I have an older Cuelemans from 12 yrs ago. If I'm not mistaken, Longoni manufactures his current line. I purchased a lower end model & it played fine for me but I found it balanced more to the butt end & it has some back hand vibration. I have since had 2 custom cues made for me (longer- since i'm 6'2 with long arms) with better balance & rock solid hit. That said, since you are a beginning player, buy what you can afford & what pleases your eye. If you are transitioning from 19oz pool cues to carom, a 510gr cue is about 18.0 oz & a 520gr cue is 18.3 oz...either will be less of a radical change for you. Once you develop more feel & finesse for the game, you can get a lighter cue or change the weight bolt. Dont put TOO much emphasis on the cue. My highest run was 11 & I used a doctored up 'el cheapo' sneaky pete. No cue will elevate your game, but improving your stance & stroke mechanics, and accumulating knowledge of the game will. Remember the famous quote.."It's not the arrow. It's the Indian."
 
Hernan7 said:
I'm not in France yet, I'll be there from January 31 to April 29 2008. And I agree with you (slick rick), I want to start with something small, please note that I only have 5 months of experience ( I've been playing since mid June), that's why I was asking about the Artemis cues because they seem good. Besides, my current 3 cushion teacher, an experienced player from the place I play, has one of those,he has the Artemis Cue Mister 100 Model 5. So far, I haven't seen him lose a match, players think twice when they play against him because they know they are going to lose. And I also agree with you WesleyW, I think the prices are too high because I saw the same cues in a Belgian website and they were at least 30 euros cheaper. Now the question is for WesleyW, what cue would you recommend me to buy in Europe taking in consideration my 5 months of experience?, is there a cheaper cue than the Longoni P8 that is good for a beginner ? Let's say I can spend 100 euros per cue. Thank you for your responses, I'll be waiting for more.
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But, of course like WesleyW said it himself, you will definately get what you payed for.

(Referring to WesleyW) Hey man, I thought all along that you were from the US!! That is quite the unpleasant surprise. Heard of Martin Van Rhee before? He's some killer artistic carom player I tell you!
 
Hernan7 said:
...Now the question is for WesleyW, what cue would you recommend me to buy in Europe taking in consideration my 5 months of experience?, is there a cheaper cue than the Longoni P8 that is good for a beginner ? Let's say I can spend 100 euros per cue. Thank you for your responses, I'll be waiting for more.
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My first cue was a Longoni Black Fox (around 130 euro)
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It's a two star cue. It plays really nice. Great balanced. The shaft is extreem stiff. Great value for money. The design don't look really spectacular, like veneers or inlays, but to me, I think it looks really good.

In the future, if you are going to consider to play 3-cushion, you can change your shaft for a longer one. Longoni sells shaft with 690mm and 710mm (normal is 670mm), conical or eiffel. Like mine Pro2+, it's a little lesser conical than normal, they call it eiffel.

@Bernie33, balanced to the butt end is quite normal for a billiard cue. Poolcues balanced more to the shaft, but billiard cue should balanced more to the butt.

@Hernan, I have a few questions. Have you played pool before, and what kind of weight do you use? And do you consider to play 3-cushion, or only Libre/free game?

@SlickRick, No I don't know Martin van Rhee.
 
@Hernan, I have a few questions. Have you played pool before, and what kind of weight do you use? And do you consider to play 3-cushion, or only Libre/free game?

I play pool only when I go out with my friends, I don't take it seriously as I take 3 cushion. I think I play pool maybe 3 or 4 times a year. As for the weight I don't know because I use the cues that are in the billiard club. We, my dad and I, have our own cues but they are pool cues that's why we want 3 cushion cues. We focus more on 3 cushion but we also play some libre, we play a libre match to 50 points and then we start playing 3 cushion. My current 3 cushion average is .300 after 5 months of playing (I usually play only once I week because I go to school and I work).
 
Hernan7 said:
Hey what's up everybody ! I just got my first check and I'm planning how to spend it in Europe. I already have the program fees and my round trip taken care of, now all I have to do is think about which cues I'm gonna bring back from Europe. I saw the Raymond Ceulemans and the Artemis cues being advertised in a belgium website and was wondering if they are good. Here is the link so you can see a few of them at pcbilliards.com. Does anyone know if I would have to pay taxes for the cues ?, or can I just tell them that I had them before I went to Europe ? or why not tell them that I'm a professional 3 cushion player :D ( I really wish I was !!!!!!! )and that I bought them in the US a few years ago ? hehe. I'll be waiting for your responses, thank you in advance.

http://www.pc-billiards.com/categories.php?cat=25&PHPSESSID=909894347811436549b741f2b383956c

I said "cues", plural, because I want to bring one for me and one for my dad, any suggestions will be appreciated.
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I am unsure about the Artimes cues, but the Raymond Cuelemans cues are made by Hanbat in South Korea!!!!!
 
Hernan7 said:
@Hernan, I have a few questions. Have you played pool before, and what kind of weight do you use? And do you consider to play 3-cushion, or only Libre/free game?

I play pool only when I go out with my friends, I don't take it seriously as I take 3 cushion. I think I play pool maybe 3 or 4 times a year. As for the weight I don't know because I use the cues that are in the billiard club. We, my dad and I, have our own cues but they are pool cues that's why we want 3 cushion cues. We focus more on 3 cushion but we also play some libre, we play a libre match to 50 points and then we start playing 3 cushion. My current 3 cushion average is .300 after 5 months of playing (I usually play only once I week because I go to school and I work).
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Like SlickRick said before. You don't want a billiard cue lower than 500gr. To me, I still think 500gr is too light. I suggest 510-530gr. for 3-cushion games. If you don't use an heavy cue, you can't move the heavy billiard balls around the tables without losing accuracy. Like you said, you played pool before and own one. If you buy a carom cue, you will feel the differences in weight, poolcues are usually much heavier. So don't go too light, it will feel strange if you do. I used to use a poolcue 19oz (540gr) and changed it with a billiard cue 18.3oz (520gr). When playing, I feel really uncomfortable with the 520gr. After using it for like 5-6 months, I'm used to it, and wouldn't change back.

For tipsize, you need 11.5-12mm. Don't use smaller or bigger tipsize.

I have consider what kind of cue I will buy, if I'm in the same situation like you. I think about it, and this is my best suggestion:

I would buy the Raymond Ceulemans HQ-01A (around 130 euro)
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or the HQ-01B (also around 130 euro)
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Both cues are include the HQ-67 shaft. I will ask the one who is selling this cue, if I can change the HQ-67 into the HQ-71 (price differences is like 5-10 euro). The 40mm extra length will help you out in many situation. You can apply much more strength. When playing 3-cushion, you need this extra strength. And ofcourse, it's a nice cue to show off, with the extra length :D

It's a little bigger than your budget, but I don't think you will regret it. You will have a really good cue to play 3-cushion.
 
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WesleyW said:
I have consider what kind of cue I will buy, if I'm in the same situation like you. I think about it, and this is my best suggestion:

I would buy the Raymond Ceulemans HQ-01A (around 130 euro)
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or the HQ-01B (also around 130 euro)
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Thank you for your suggestion, I really liked it. And as for the budget I don't think is that bad, I already did my math and the price is still reasonable for me. I'm going to try to find out if I can get them in France or if I have to go to Belgium. I can't wait to go to France !!!. I also heard that 3 cushion is not that popular in France, I was told they prefer libre, cadre and 1 cushion. I want to thank everybody for their help and time, I really appreciate it.
 
i'd buy a used Hiolle cue or a Horemans or a Vanlaere.
take it back to the states and refnish it, install a new ferule and tip and you'r off over the artemis cue etc. im not a 3c player, but i buy and sell some of these cue's, and ofcourse i shoot with them to see how they hit, and a Hiolle cue feels amazing! even better then the poolcue i'm using.

its like buying a older brunswick model, refinish it compared to a viking cue or so...

just my 2c.
 
WesleyW said:
Like SlickRick said before. You don't want a billiard cue lower than 500gr. To me, I still think 500gr is too light. I suggest 510-530gr. for 3-cushion games. If you don't use an heavy cue, you can't move the heavy billiard balls around the tables without losing accuracy.
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I totally disagree with these statements. It is not the weight of the cue that gives your cue ball velocity, but the speed of your stroke. A lighter cue can motor the cue ball around the table just as fine as a heavier one, and give you more feel for the delicate shots, like short angles. I play with nothing heavier than 17 oz., and have no trouble with 'twice around' shots.
 
Alfred said:
I totally disagree with these statements. It is not the weight of the cue that gives your cue ball velocity, but the speed of your stroke. A lighter cue can motor the cue ball around the table just as fine as a heavier one, and give you more feel for the delicate shots, like short angles. I play with nothing heavier than 17 oz., and have no trouble with 'twice around' shots.
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Mine is around 430grams (15oz+) and can bank nearly 10 rails on an old Brunswick and I ain't a big guy by any means.
 
Alfred said:
I totally disagree with these statements. It is not the weight of the cue that gives your cue ball velocity, but the speed of your stroke. A lighter cue can motor the cue ball around the table just as fine as a heavier one, and give you more feel for the delicate shots, like short angles. I play with nothing heavier than 17 oz., and have no trouble with 'twice around' shots.
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Different strokes for different folks.
What is good for you may not be for another.
This quote from a half-decade ago was just a generalized statement that I naped from Frederic Caudron's website (I believe).
BTW, good for you to revive an old thread. I still miss that Hernan7 guy. :(
 
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