Re:Opinions.

[puertorociii]

Re:Opinions.

Gents. How would you compare an Olhausen Champion Pro 9 ftr to a Brunswick Gold Crown 3 9 ftr as well? Playability? Similarities? Table quality? Durability? Pro and Cons.....Never heard your opinions on the matter. Thanks. Also which one would you prefer if you had the option.


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[fastone371]

I only played on one Olhausen, I am not sure which model it was but it was a commercial 9 foot table in a pool hall. I hated it so much that I would never buy an Olhausen. The rails seemed kind of lame or dead, the table played slow in general which could have been the cloth even though it seemed nice and in good condition, and the pockets seemed goofy, tended to rattle a lot of shots that seemed like they should have normally fallen. It just did not seem as nice as a cared for Gold Crown or a Diamond, I cant explain what else I did not like about it but I just did not like the way the table played in general.

 

[Mr. Bond]

Gents. How would you compare an Olhausen Champion Pro 9 ftr to a Brunswick Gold Crown 3 9 ftr as well? Playability? Similarities? Table quality? Durability? Pro and Cons.....Never heard your opinions on the matter. Thanks. Also which one would you prefer if you had the option.

My opinion: both have some very good and very bad qualities, so it's almost a wash as far as I'm concerned. But, if I had to pick between the two, I'd go with the Brunswick.

My overall rating scale 1-10*
Olhaus Champ Pro = 7.9
Bruns GCIII = 8.2






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[WestPenn]

Gents. How would you compare an Olhausen Champion Pro 9 ftr to a Brunswick Gold Crown 3 9 ftr as well? Playability? Similarities? Table quality? Durability? Pro and Cons.....Never heard your opinions on the matter. Thanks. Also which one would you prefer if you had the option.


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I'm an Olhausen dealer(though we used to deal Brunswick), so I may be slightly biased. I'm going to assume the Olhausen would be new and the GC would be used(since you said GC3).

With the Olhausen, you get a lifetime warranty. Since they're custom-built in the USA, you can do whatever you want with the table. You could get different sites and put custom artwork on the cabinet. It will also have Accu-Fast cushions, which last longer and play better than any other cushion on the market, and they're covered by the warranty. I know that I'm a dealer, but Olhausen's customer service really is top notch. They're a great company to work with, and they really do stand by their tables. Their quality control is top notch. However, some people don't like the pocket angles of an Olhausen. The pockets reject more balls than the GC's will.

With the Brunswick, you don't get any of the customization or warranty. You also won't get Accu-Fast, so you'll probably be replacing the cushions once in awhile, and they will play slower. That said, the pockets will accept more balls than the Olhausen.

If you were buying them both new, then definitely the Olhausen. Brunswick outsourced to China, and since then, their tables are garbage and the quality control is terrible. There is a reason we dropped our dealership.

If you've ever played on an Olhausen, and the pockets didn't bother you, then it is probably a better buy. People on here exaggerate the differences in pockets. I've never had someone complain about the pockets on their Olhausen, and we sell a few hundred tables a year. In fact, we put Grand Champs in a pool hall not too long ago, replacing their Gold Crowns. They had their logo put on the tables and they're very happy with them.

 

[Mr. Bond]

Devils advocate says:
That was a nice sales pitch but I think that the OP was asking about a specific model.

If you can illuminate any differences in the way that the Champ Pro is constructed that make it a better table than a GCIII, I personally would love to hear about them.

 

[WestPenn]

Devils advocate says:
That was a nice sales pitch but I think that the OP was asking about a specific model.

If you can illuminate any differences in the way that the Champ Pro is constructed that make it a better table than a GCIII, I personally would love to hear about them.

Thank you:thumbup:

Truth be told, I personally don't know much about the GCIII. I know about the GCV, but OP didn't ask about the GCV. My coworkers will know more about it than me. I'll find out from them on Saturday(I'm off until then).

I will say this. Before Brunswick outsourced all production to China, their tables were very high quality and built very solid. When they outsourced, we would get tables in and parts would be missing/damaged, or we'd open the box and there'd be termite holes in the wood.

 

[ROB.M]

Table

the GC's that u replaced with Olhausen tables, I'd bet that the GC's was at least 25-30+years old.
I will take a bet that says in 10-12 years those Olhausen tables in a commercial poolroom will look like they are in need of replacing.
In 10-12 years a GC will look like a decent GC and have many years left on it. The Olhausen tables will be falling apart and crumble due to the use of cheap fibre board used to construct it.

The use of either table in a commercial environment voids the manufacture warranty'. Read the fine lines of warranty.
If the current owners need any warranty work done to any of the tables you sold the poolroom "you" your company will be eating the bill because a warranty from Brunswick or olhausen do not cover normal wear and or any goods or tables sold for commercial purposes.

NAME YOUR PRICE and I'll spot u good odds, bet anything from a GC to a few scoops of icecream'

Best of luck'
Rob.M

 

[WestPenn]

the GC's that u replaced with Olhausen tables, I'd bet that the GC's was at least 25-30+years old.
I will take a bet that says in 10-12 years those Olhausen tables in a commercial poolroom will look like they are in need of replacing.
In 10-12 years a GC will look like a decent GC and have many years left on it. The Olhausen tables will be falling apart and crumble due to the use of cheap fibre board used to construct it.

The use of either table in a commercial environment voids the manufacture warranty'. Read the fine lines of warranty.
If the current owners need any warranty work done to any of the tables you sold the poolroom "you" your company will be eating the bill because a warranty from Brunswick or olhausen do not cover normal wear and or any goods or tables sold for commercial purposes.

NAME YOUR PRICE and I'll spot u good odds, bet anything from a GC to a few scoops of icecream'

Best of luck'
Rob.M

Yeah, they knew about the warranty before buying and were fine with it. It sounds like OP wants it for his house, that's why I talked about the warranty.

And the old Gold Crowns were very solid tables. Brunswick used to make great tables. All of Brunswick's new tables are junk. I'd put our cheapest Olhausen we sell against a Gold Crown V, and I guarantee that 30 years down the road, the Olhausen will be in better shape than the imported junk that is the GCV.

 

[ROB.M]

Yeah, they knew about the warranty before buying and were fine with it. It sounds like OP wants it for his house, that's why I talked about the warranty.

And the old Gold Crowns were very solid tables. Brunswick used to make great tables. All of Brunswick's new tables are junk. I'd put our cheapest Olhausen we sell against a Gold Crown V, and I guarantee that 30 years down the road, the Olhausen will be in better shape than the imported junk that is the GCV.

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I'll put the GCV up against olhausens cheap table. " you say our cheapest Olhausen" table. Why do u offer only "selected" Olhausen tables?
In a high traffic pool room located in...lets say in Texas state.
I'll bet whatever' I'll let a guy or two in on the action if wanted)
I will bet extra that says leather web pockets won't last 10 years before they look like road kill in a commercial pool room.


Rob.M

 

[WestPenn]

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I'll put the GCV up against olhausens cheap table. " you say our cheapest Olhausen" table. Why do u offer only "selected" Olhausen tables?
In a high traffic pool room located in...lets say in Texas state.
I'll bet whatever' I'll let a guy or two in on the action if wanted)
I will bet extra that says leather web pockets won't last 10 years before they look like road kill in a commercial pool room.


Rob.M

We don't have their L(aka laminate) Series or V(aka veneer) Series tables on our floors. We can order them if someone wants them, but we only put solid wood tables on the floor.

I'd bet extra that those Superspeed cushions won't last 10 years before they're hard enough to be used as a blunt weapon.

 

[ROB.M]

Table

We don't have their L(aka laminate) Series or V(aka veneer) Series tables on our floors. We can order them if someone wants them, but we only put solid wood tables on the floor.

I'd bet extra that those Superspeed cushions won't last 10 years before they're hard enough to be used as a blunt weapon.

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the finish wears off on real wood Olhausen rails The GC does not have hard wood finished rails that wear off.
Bets taken-

I was talking with a 70 year old rail guy the other day and he spoke about how the current superspeed cushions are not like the old batches of superspeed cushions that go rock hard.
a local poolroom has ten 8' GC's and three 9'GC all GC 4's over 10 years old that have never had bad cushions.
I've already won that bet'

your saying a accu fast cushions have never gone hard?
Besides if OP has Olhausen cushions installed on a table besides a Olhausen..
Warranty void'

Best of luck.

Rob.M

 

[JC]

I was once given this table for free.

It was a year old and all I had to do was go and pick it up. When I was taking it apart I noticed it had particle board slate liners. In fact it seemed to have had particle board everything. Yuck!! I decided not to keep it.

JC

 

[jtompilot]

I'll share my personal experience with you.

My wife gave me the OK to buy a pool table if it was furniture style. I really wanted a GC3 for practice but I gave in. I purchased a $3000 Olhausen. The table was beautiful, guests really liked it.

I hated that table. It sucked for practice. It banked long, the pockets were to big, it played different. The good news is it was built well. After being under water for who knows how long after huricane Katrina, the table was still standing, although it was pretty messed up.

Now I have a used GC4 and light that I got from a pool hall I'm really happy with it. It's shimmed to 4.5". It's black and Chrome trim.

I've played at several pool halls that have Olhausen tables and I just think "what a waste of money"
If I was setting up a pool hall I would try for all Diamonds.

 

[Poolhalljunkie]

Longevity

A Gold Crown has always looked and in 99 out of a 100 played better than any Olhausen I have seen. A pool room back in Abilene Tx installed Olhausen 8' tables and had 3 of their Pro 9' tables, after only a couple months pocket castings were breaking, bolts falling out of rails, and the cloth was ripping on majority of the pockets due to the ball bouncing back into the slate, caused by the narrow rail profile of the Olhausen.

 

[jtompilot]

A Gold Crown has always looked and in 99 out of a 100 played better than any Olhausen I have seen. A pool room back in Abilene Tx installed Olhausen 8' tables and had 3 of their Pro 9' tables, after only a couple months pocket castings were breaking, bolts falling out of rails, and the cloth was ripping on majority of the pockets due to the ball bouncing back into the slate, caused by the narrow rail profile of the Olhausen.

Why is it that Texas is the only state that I've been too that consistently has more 8' tables than anything else. I thought Texas big:grin:

 

[puertorociii]

Good discussion here gentlemen.

My reasone for the post is. A team member is in the market for a table and he mentioned that every gold crown he see's on craigslist either needs rail work or cloth replaced or is priced out of his budget. So he see's the Olhausen posted for about 2k in really good shape and he asked me what was the defference? I personally don't have much experience with them. I had a gc3 that was damaged in the storm and before that I really liked the table. It sounds to me the Olhausen has mixed reviews. And we don't know anyone that has one to play on and feel out.

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[trentfromtoledo]

I even own an Olhausen.

I have a 7 foot Olhausen(got it for $200) in my basement for practice only. I do not invite people to play on it at all, it has new cushions and of course the dreaded "death rattle" in the jaws of the pockets. As I said it is my practice table and I jut like to have it to shoot around on in my TINY basement or I would have a Gold Crown 4 set up down there. In my opinion there is ZERO chance that I can even compare any of the Gold Crown Series to an Olhausen at all. Brunswick(even though made overseas) Gold Crowns are fine pool tables. I think that the cushions are great quality. Anyone who sells Olhausen is of course going to sway that direction in an argument over which is better, we ALL know what people want. I never get requests for Olhausen's like I do for Gold Crowns, it is most players "Dream Table" because they played on them when they were young. Now I will give my opinion on the value: A Gold Crown will hold it's value because it is a collectable. A restored Gold Crown will at least hold its value over time and possibly gain value. A nice or a run of the mill Olhausen still loses value every day and can be picked up on craigslist for $1000......

Just my opinion and not trying to argue with anyone! Just making sure that part is clear!

Anyone who wants a Gold Crown 2, 4 or 5 HIT ME UP!!! We have 4-9 foot GC2's, 6-8 foot GC4's and a 9 foot GC 5 a client of mine is trying to sell!

Trent from Toledo (419)740-0133

 

[perfectpocketz]

Yeah, they knew about the warranty before buying and were fine with it. It sounds like OP wants it for his house, that's why I talked about the warranty.

And the old Gold Crowns were very solid tables. Brunswick used to make great tables. All of Brunswick's new tables are junk. I'd put our cheapest Olhausen we sell against a Gold Crown V, and I guarantee that 30 years down the road, the Olhausen will be in better shape than the imported junk that is the GCV.

Making a statement that any Olhausen is better then a GC5 is really showing what you know about tables....I helped with the design of the 5 and that table is more solid than any table on today's market.....period.
The 5 is not only one of the best looking commercial tables on the market.....but the frame is best made.....and I don't want to hear about the plywood standing on edge...and stacking 20 tables high and the frame holding sales pitch.
Forget about it....nothing comes close to the GC 5 table.....none.
I don't work for Brunswick....or any other manufactor.
But....want I do know are tables....and rails.
The Brunswick super speed cushions are still the best Playing cushion.....they may not last the longest....but for play....there the best.
I also like the Artemis...but there to much of a cushion for pool..
Olhausen cushions are so soft.....that's what causes the ball rattle in the corners....the 5 is far from junk.....if we want to mention junk.....your selling it.....Olhausen.

Mark Gregory