Read this!!! what should i do?
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crawfish said:
Thanks for correcting my spelling, I really should read before I push submit.
A. it's not polite to eavesdropping.... 
B. I've seen a lot of so called instructor giving lessons and it is a sad thing but how can really regulate it? (I'm talking in general and not on this case, I trust Tom here)
C. You do not need to be a top player to be a good instructor. I can honestly say that can be a better instructor then many players that are better then me (and givving lessons...).
B. I've seen a lot of so called instructor giving lessons and it is a sad thing but how can really regulate it? (I'm talking in general and not on this case, I trust Tom here)
C. You do not need to be a top player to be a good instructor. I can honestly say that can be a better instructor then many players that are better then me (and givving lessons...).
Getting the egg off his face and his foot out of his mouth.cuenut said:
Tom Simpson said:
In other words, "Trent" was wrong about everything.
Well, I guess we have to expect that from somebody who titles his thread "Read this!!!"
pj
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Tom, thanks for going to bat for this instructor. Secondary recommedations or negatives can go along way in the wrong direction.
I wonder what was said, that would give TRENT the idea that Jim Wyant knew nothing about the game?
Maybe TRENT can give us an idea ....?
I wonder what was said, that would give TRENT the idea that Jim Wyant knew nothing about the game?
Maybe TRENT can give us an idea ....?
Well I Sh*t happens , it does suck tho when you misinterpreted things, it's just a life lesson .
Hi...I'm the villain being :bash: in the opening post. Wow...so good to see so many old names...Lou, PJ, Mully, JimBoCt, and of course those three I'm forgetting to mention. OK..OK, I confess, I'm just doing this for the sheer joy of screwing up young pool players to contribute to the chum pond at the end of the shark tank.
Seriously tho, it's a pretty fun class...heck, one time I had a guy shooting wing shots like a natural. Once they get the fundamentals down, they can do a lot of cool things.
But like anything else, perception is often based on perspective...I've messaged the OPie off-line and hope to have a chance to talk with him in a couple of weeks.
..j!dub
Seriously tho, it's a pretty fun class...heck, one time I had a guy shooting wing shots like a natural. Once they get the fundamentals down, they can do a lot of cool things.
But like anything else, perception is often based on perspective...I've messaged the OPie off-line and hope to have a chance to talk with him in a couple of weeks.
..j!dub
People getting hustled in a poolhall sounds fair to me.Trent said:OK I was in the local pool hall last night, cushions in westerville ohio,
and there was a class going on with about 6 students and a very large man coaching.
the man coaching i have never seen in my life and im around pool 24-7 so if its a "face" i would know right? well as i watch this guy and listen to what hes saying to these students you can tell he didnt know anything about the game!!
after his class i talked to one of his students who informed me that they are paying 150 for 2 hrs and there going to go through six classes like that.
after a touch of research i found out the man is a 3 in APA 9ball and not certified as a instructor.
Do you tell the class that the guy is a fraud and your wasting your money?
what would you do?
i just hate to see people who have a intrest and want to learn the sport, get taken advantage of and get a bad taste for it right from the start.
Well there was no harm intended and i wasnt bashing Cushions but... i talked to a man i forget his name but.. he was playing on the far 9FT table and said that he took a lesson from you and it was a waste of money was his exact words then after watching from a distance as a women during your practice was wearing a glove on the wrong hand and looking at alot of bad form it just seemed like ill spent time at the table. having beginers practice shots when the fundamentals are off.
CRAIG FALES theres no egg on my face im sorry i cant spend every waking hour online, when your in the army you have alot of work to do.
and as far as i can tell you cant learn from people that cant play and why would you take lessons from someone thats a unknown when you could get lessons from Dee Adkins for even less and learn from someone that knows the game in all aspects. thats my opinion others have there own.
CRAIG FALES theres no egg on my face im sorry i cant spend every waking hour online, when your in the army you have alot of work to do.
and as far as i can tell you cant learn from people that cant play and why would you take lessons from someone thats a unknown when you could get lessons from Dee Adkins for even less and learn from someone that knows the game in all aspects. thats my opinion others have there own.
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OK...thanks for the note, Trent...don't know who the guy was, but I'll address what I do know. The young lady you saw must've bought the glove after I left because there were no gloves while I was there. As far as wearing it wrong-handed, I discovered 2/3rds of the way into the first session that...while she does most things right handed, she prefers lefty and since she is just learning a pool stroke for the first time she wanted to try that (won't say it was a raging success). I spent an extra 45 minutes after class re-baselining her on learning the same fundamentals she was learning right handed to the left side. My guess is you say her when she was switching back and forth and trying to replicate things from her right to her left. But she wasn't wearing it on the wrong hand "when I was there". We did discuss sweaty hands and I had her try some Purell...but her hands are too soft so I told her I'd bring some gloves next time.
Yup, she had a lot of bad form trying to do this stuff left-handed...it's the reason she stayed beyond even when I left...to try to figure out which side made the most sense to her. And in fact, I had told her to stop on the table and practice in front of a mirror for a bit so she could get visual feedback.
As far as getting lessons from Dee...love the guy, known him for years...but Dee doesn't really do organized series of lessons...he gives tips and concepts to actual players. Actually, Dee and I sat a Sportsman's a few years back and debated this very topic (teaching beginners) for a couple of hours. I'm not going to argue that attaching a beginner to run with Dee for 6 months they'd learn a lot...but then again, if the playing pros could teach, they'd probably be out there doing it a lot more. Playing pros come through classes just to learn how to teach this stuff from the ground up.
One thing I do teach young ladies going through the class is that, when they are in a pool room practicing by themselves, they are likely going to become a focal point and are going to get hit on. What they do with romantic (or otherwise) advances is up to them. But room players are always going to want to offer suggestions on their game as an icebreaker. I just recommend to them that until they complete the beginner's class and have a solid foundation that they politely tell the guy they have a coach at this time...and they can do with the advances what they want.
..j!dub
Yup, she had a lot of bad form trying to do this stuff left-handed...it's the reason she stayed beyond even when I left...to try to figure out which side made the most sense to her. And in fact, I had told her to stop on the table and practice in front of a mirror for a bit so she could get visual feedback.
As far as getting lessons from Dee...love the guy, known him for years...but Dee doesn't really do organized series of lessons...he gives tips and concepts to actual players. Actually, Dee and I sat a Sportsman's a few years back and debated this very topic (teaching beginners) for a couple of hours. I'm not going to argue that attaching a beginner to run with Dee for 6 months they'd learn a lot...but then again, if the playing pros could teach, they'd probably be out there doing it a lot more. Playing pros come through classes just to learn how to teach this stuff from the ground up.
One thing I do teach young ladies going through the class is that, when they are in a pool room practicing by themselves, they are likely going to become a focal point and are going to get hit on. What they do with romantic (or otherwise) advances is up to them. But room players are always going to want to offer suggestions on their game as an icebreaker. I just recommend to them that until they complete the beginner's class and have a solid foundation that they politely tell the guy they have a coach at this time...and they can do with the advances what they want.
..j!dub
Trent,
What I can't believe is that you were at Cushions and you aren't bashing how bad their tables are.... Horrible! Worst in Columbus! Maybe worst in the state!
Jim, Dan does realize that tables need new cloth every 4-5 years right? LOL I know there isn't a whole lot you can do to improve Gandys but those things need some major work.... Great place, great crowd, great jukebox, great tournaments, horrible equipment!
What I can't believe is that you were at Cushions and you aren't bashing how bad their tables are.... Horrible! Worst in Columbus! Maybe worst in the state!
Jim, Dan does realize that tables need new cloth every 4-5 years right? LOL I know there isn't a whole lot you can do to improve Gandys but those things need some major work.... Great place, great crowd, great jukebox, great tournaments, horrible equipment!
The Saw said:
Yeah, he knows...tough economic times...but I have it on good authority that there is somebody starting on it in a couple of weeks...I understand all the 9's and Pro-8's are getting done.
And I won't quite go worst in Columbus...but c'mon, Cushions has never really been a player's room since Charlie left...not that it was that much of one then.
Quite frankly, what goes on between instructor and student is no one elses business You don't know what has transpired off the table. You don't know anything that has or will happen. You have no idea what the end result is meant to be. If you are so concerned, talk to the room operator or the instructor away from the students. Be ready for whatever answers come. JMHO