Real Improvement

perception

One thing you may not be considering is your perception of improvement.

When we are first starting anything we improve by leaps and bounds. Once we reach a certain level of proficiency improvements are in much tinier steps. The solution to one shot that comes up fairly often that has been stumping us is now a significant improvement.

Once in awhile one sentence someone utters or one thing makes a very major improvement in our game at least from our perspective. However these things get rarer as we get better too.

Hu




Habitmaster said:
I have played pool now for many years and am playing the best pool of my life because of new practice routines. I watch other players and ask them if they are improving and the answer is usually 'yes'. But when I watch these players play, I see the same player I saw last week, last month, and most of all, last year.
The same players that say they are getting better are not improving from what I can see. The question then becomes, what keeps us from improving? Why can't we improve month after month? What method or methods have you found that really improve your game month after month?
 
Habitmaster said:
I have heard this before about you have to want to win bad enough, but I have a hard time understanding it. If we take 100 players all with the same attitude 'focused on winning' but there is only one winner, then 99 of them will have to be disappointed about not winning. Is it their attiude that made them lose? Do you really want to believe that your winning or losing is wrapped up in some intangible force instead of your skill?

What about winning itself, should we really be wasting time focusing on that? Do we really have any control over winning or losing?

If you play the best game that you could and the other player is better and wins, then your attitude has nothing to do with it. If you play a medium game and the other player makes more mistakes but you win, did your attitude make you win?

In the end, winning or losing is out of our control. We should only focus on things we can control, like sharpening our skills and eliminating errors. Winning or losing will take care of itself. Wasting one second of energy by thinking about winning or losing can only get in the way of playing your best.

So how do you produce measurable results in improving your game? I think I might start a new thread that will provide some real methods that will do just that.

Good post...we're totally responsible for our efforts, but can't really control the results.

But...another but:eek: ...but, even though you may be among the 99% who lose, the attitude of winning can still be good when used as a motivator for improving. So, the desire to win can be honestly integrated into every shot as a motivator to do one's best on every shot. If you lose, you lose...and now your motivation can be higher next time, so you commit more efforts toward playing better.

That's my experience, anyway,

Jeff Livingston
 
My main mantra for ANY situation has always been........

You cannot fail, or lose, as long as you learned something!
 
Habitmaster said:
I have heard this before about you have to want to win bad enough, but I have a hard time understanding it. If we take 100 players all with the same attitude 'focused on winning' but there is only one winner, then 99 of them will have to be disappointed about not winning. Is it their attiude that made them lose? Do you really want to believe that your winning or losing is wrapped up in some intangible force instead of your skill?

What about winning itself, should we really be wasting time focusing on that? Do we really have any control over winning or losing?

If you play the best game that you could and the other player is better and wins, then your attitude has nothing to do with it. If you play a medium game and the other player makes more mistakes but you win, did your attitude make you win?

In the end, winning or losing is out of our control. We should only focus on things we can control, like sharpening our skills and eliminating errors. Winning or losing will take care of itself. Wasting one second of energy by thinking about winning or losing can only get in the way of playing your best.

So how do you produce measurable results in improving your game? I think I might start a new thread that will provide some real methods that will do just that.

H-master,
All I can say is WOW. One of the best posts of the year. I also believe that maximum attention should be given to making the very best stroke possible on each shot - it is ALL we can control.
 
i dont agree with u habitmore.


U need to have the best carengine to win the race, and the best tires to win it. Ofcourse if 99% uses the same tires, and the same engine, did u lose the race because u had bad tires? ofcourse not,

so i can understand your ---'cant find the word in english' ---but its just a combination of everything.

if u dont have the desire to win like if your life depended on it, ull have one fact that might be the reason why u lost. its the combination of SO many things (some we CAN controle, some we CANT controle) that will make u the winner.

if u have the wrong car, the wrong tires, the weakest breaks, BUT u do have the best driving skills, etc U can still win, but u'll surely handicap yourself. Its not the breaks that will make u win, or the tires, but the best combination of all these facts, that will give u the best CHANCE to win. and chance = odds. its in gods hand and your opponents hand.

10 bikes are racing:
9 racers have a engine.that will get u from 0-100 in 3seconds
1 racer has a engine that will take him from 0-100 in 4 seconds.
Why didnt 8 out of the 9 racers win? because other facts played a fact, but what engine would u choose to start with?

i know that if i REALLY REALLY want to win vs this guy who beats me EVERY Time, ill make sure i wont miss a shot due to beginners errors like standing up to fast, forgetting to chalk.I can afford it to miss a shot due to a stupid mistake. if im playing for fun, i could play 3 or 4 balls without chalking. did i lose the match because i didnt chalk on EVERY ball? hell no, i've won racks vs him where i break and run without chalking, but its one fact less in the combination of facts that could be a reason why i lost. and the bigger the desire to win, the more ull concentrate on taking out small facts in the combination (like chalking) that COULD cost u the match, but also COULD not affect the outcome AT all.
 
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I'm just a ballbanger, but I think you answered your own question in a way. Many people are unable to detect, understand, and learn beyond a certain point. This lack of (1) the ability to detect the little things leads to (2) lack of knowledge - which severely limits improvement. Can you tell the difference between an A player and a C player? Ok now what about A+ vs pro? Or pro vs low pro? Regardless of who's playing better that day? If not, then why not? Because it's impossible to tell? Or because you don't know how to tell the difference? Ok now why don't you know how?

Habitmaster said:
I have played pool now for many years and am playing the best pool of my life because of new practice routines. I watch other players and ask them if they are improving and the answer is usually 'yes'. But when I watch these players play, I see the same player I saw last week, last month, and most of all, last year.
The same players that say they are getting better are not improving from what I can see. The question then becomes, what keeps us from improving? Why can't we improve month after month? What method or methods have you found that really improve your game month after month?
 
this is a bastardized quote (meaning I don't know it verbatum and don't know the source) but it applies well to pool.

an amature musician practices untill they get it right, a professional musician practices untill they can't get it wrong.

For some people learning to do something is good enough for them, for others just learning to do something isn't good enough, they have to do it perfectly every time. This is what seperates the masters from the amatures.
 
supergreenman said:
this is a bastardized quote (meaning I don't know it verbatum and don't know the source) but it applies well to pool.

an amature musician practices untill they get it right, a professional musician practices untill they can't get it wrong.

For some people learning to do something is good enough for them, for others just learning to do something isn't good enough, they have to do it perfectly every time. This is what seperates the masters from the amatures.

tap, tap, tap.

I always enjoy it when a shot moves from the first category to the second for me. I really like the analogy too, that's my motivation for practice tonight.

-s
 
Excellent discussion, now let's see where it leads.

How do you measure your performance? One way is to count the mistakes you make and not how well you do. The pro's are the standard we can use for excellence since they do this for a living. In almost every match you see, the match is not won because of perfect play but because the other player made more mistakes. So I measure my performance by the mistakes I make regardless of whether I win or lose. Because winning or losing is out of my control. You can only control your play not any other aspect of the game.

So, where does this 'winning attitude' come in. Every talks about being in the zone when playing their best. Every sport there are players who sometimes play in the zone, not once do you hear that their being in the zone was because of a winning attitude. This overwelming desire to win is no more that wishfull thinking that actually interferes with your ability to play better. Why is that so? Because when you are playing in the zone, your subconscious, which is responsible for all the 'skill' in pool, is running on autopilot. That is why you hear time and time again that the players in any sport say, I was on autopilot. That is exactly correct.

But what do you think their conscious mind was doing during this time?
It was busy keeing out of the way and helping the subconscious mind do its work. How do we know all of this? Because being in the zone is being focused externally{/B]. If your conscious mind is 'thinking' then you will be focused internally and would only interfere with your play. So where in this is there room for anything else but the task at hand. Any attention you take away from the task at hand will interrupt your playing your best.

So the bottom line is, you cannot be in the zone and be thinking about winning at the same time. Both your conscious and subconsious mind must be performing their roles for you to play your best. I realize it is great to think you can just 'wish to win' real bad and it will happen, but it usually doesn't work.

The best players in any sport play their best when they actually let themselves go and not think about winning. Perfecting your skill by eliminating errors is the way to go. But that becomes difficult if you are stuck and not improving.
 
In the Zone

A follow up to discuss what 'being in the zone' means. Besides atheletes, many of us are in the zone often. If you do your work and tune out other distractions, if you watch tv and tune out or even read and tune out. When you 'tune out' you are in the zone. What happens is by doing 'something' you shut down or diminish other senses. It would have been great to see Phil Michelson, the golfer, get into the zone this past weekend on the last hole but he started thinking too much and it interferred with his game.

If we can understand what being in the zone is, we can come up with routines or actions that help us get into the zone and tune out. Is this possible? Not only is it possible, it easier than you think.
 
Habitmaster you have me scratching my head.

Half your posts are excellent advice and makes me want more detail to what you are trying to say.
The other half really sounds like you are trying to sell us something.
So which is it? Did you find the Holy Grail of pool and just don't want to tell anybody? Or do you have a book, video or new training aid that you want us to buy?


Either way, I'd like to know.:D
 
FUNDAMENTALS. This is the key to improvement.
Bad fundamentals = longer learning curve.
A player can become excellant with fundamental flaws but it takes much longer to get there.
 
Habitmaster said:
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So the bottom line is, you cannot be in the zone and be thinking about winning at the same time. (snip)

I disagree wholeheartedly. A player sure can do both. IF that is his motivation. When you say "thinking about winning," you seem to indicate that that is only done consciously. But that motivation, if it is passionately real, will be a major part of the players' shot, every shot, whether done below or above the conscious level. If you think about it, how else could it be?

The winning attitude is a PART of the shot, not the whole shot, nor even the only motivation for shooting, for most players. Capturing it successfully and integrating it successfully is the "secret."

I like your 'eliminating mistakes first' procedure, as most players seem to only want to add the "secret ingredient" that will make it effortless and easy to win...sorry, no such thing. Cleaning up the garbage first reveals what better be done to improve, for sure, as the clutter is gone. Work is always involved after that, too, though. :eek:

It's a process, not an event.

What are you selling, btw?

Jeff Livingston
 
I disagree

Habitmaster said:
A follow up to discuss what 'being in the zone' means. Besides atheletes, many of us are in the zone often. If you do your work and tune out other distractions, if you watch tv and tune out or even read and tune out. When you 'tune out' you are in the zone. What happens is by doing 'something' you shut down or diminish other senses. It would have been great to see Phil Michelson, the golfer, get into the zone this past weekend on the last hole but he started thinking too much and it interferred with his game.

If we can understand what being in the zone is, we can come up with routines or actions that help us get into the zone and tune out. Is this possible? Not only is it possible, it easier than you think.



The first thing about being in the zone is a discussion of what it is. The narrow focus you are talking about is one step short of what I consider to be in the zone.

Far from being unaware when in the zone I am aware of things that are normally totally unnoticed and even seemingly impossible to be aware of when not in the zone. Awareness is heightened to a fantastic degree. The difference is that all of this is flowing around me without disturbing me since it has no application to what I am doing.

Hu
 
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Sore_Aintya said:
You get that impression too?

Well, with only 8 posts on AZ, I sense he's setting us up (not complaining, btw, just observing) for his solution to his problem. If he'd read for a year or so, he'd discover that the variety of posters here are a great source for learning more. Maybe he has already, I don't know. Teaching us more is good, too, but maybe should come after some observations of who we are and what we know.

I sell something too, but I'm careful not to let that interfere with my relationships here just to make a buck. But to each his own.

Jeff Livingston
 
Good insight. I have discovered something that is hard to contain. And this is the best place I can think of to see if what I have already tested can stand up to the scrutiny of the world of pool. But my goal is simple, I wish to change the world of pool forever.

How do I know it works, because it works every single time, whether you believe in it or not. By performing some simple routines you can eliminate errors from your game. How does it work? It works because I have found out how we actually learn and perform skills.

That is why I started this thread to start putting this information out there. I need the feedback to see if there are any holes in this that can be uncovered. So far, I have not read anything that can answer the simple questions I asked.

This information will work for anyone, but in the hands of the professional instructors, it would be dynamite. Why? because they could use all of their pool knowledge and couple that with a complete understanding of how we actually learn to provide a much improved service to players.

So what is the problem? No one knows me and who would listen to an unknown. So this was the best way for me to start testing the waters and take my licks. My knowledge of pool is not the imprortant thing here, what is important is my knowledge of how we learn. At this time, I do not think anyone else has ever provided this information ever before.
 
Habitmaster said:
At this time, I do not think anyone else has ever provided this information ever before.


What information? All you have stated are "theories" and "opinion". Some of which is common knowledge, others make it sound like you have a agenda.
If you really have something to offer, that will "change the world of pool forever", spill it, and let this community be the lab rats and test your "Holy Grail" out.
 
This is the first of several postings that I will put here to show you how to make real improvement.

The first thing we want to talk about is what is ‘skill’ in pool. If we know exactly what it is, we can then find ways to improve it. As I said before, there is no such thing as ‘muscle memory’. So the only thing we are training when we train is our minds. But exactly what happens in our mind when we improve or not improve our skill will take us into a discussion of what comprises our mind.

It is common knowledge that our logical mind consists of at least two parts, the conscious and subconscious mind. After that, there are as many theories as to how the two minds work, as there are stars. But here is one that will allow you to make the kind of improvement in your skill no matter what level you are at. If it is not true, it doesn’t matter because it still works.

Now let’s get the meat of this story. The subconscious mind performs all of the physical movement involved in shooting any shot. The conscious mind can initiate the action but under normal play cannot control it. How do we know this? Because our subconscious mind was designed for one purpose, that is survival. While our conscious mind collects information can perform analysis and basically provides the ‘thinking’ part of us. The two minds helps each other but do not share information, this can be easily seen by the looking at the facts. No matter how many times you tell yourself to ‘stay down’ on a shot, your habit in your subconscious makes you jump up. The conscious mind has the knowledge to ‘stay down’ but the subconscious has it already formed habit and does now deviate from it. The conscious mind cannot control it except under certain rules, we will get to these later. Let’s take a close look at how each of these performs their roles.


The conscious mind is the data collector. It collects information through all of the senses and stores it away. The conscious mind can recall the data and use it to make analytical decisions. This is the part of the mind that will examine a table and decide which shots to shoot and in which order. It then initiates the action of shooting but does not control the exact shot. We know this because you do not think about which muscles to contract or expand and in fact, we do not even have access to this data. There is so much information that is required to shoot a shot that it is packaged into a habit in the subconscious. This is why information you read, listen to or see is ok but it will not change your skill one bit. When someone says, I learn a lot from watching other players, they really mean I collect a lot of information from watching other players. Knowledge itself does not improve skill. It will improve your ability to make better choices abut managing a table but will not improve your basic skill. This is why all the books written on pool tell you ‘what to do’ but not how to do it. So how do we do change our skill if the conscious mind does not control it? Let’s look at the subconscious part where the real skill is.

The subconscious mind is our link to the animal world. Its main job is survival just like any other animal. So if you look at animals, either domestic or wild, you will see how our subconscious mind works. All animals have to work with is the subconscious, they do not have a conscious mind. The subconscious mind survives by putting together habits that promote survival. The habits take over when action is called for and can be made up of complex actions, such as running away from danger. But there are also learned habits for pleasure. All habits have one thing in common; they take over when action is called for. As such, shooting pool is a habit or skill that is learned. When you first develop a habit or skill, it stays with you until you change it. If you do not change the habit, it will continue on. That is why telling yourself not to jump up does not work. This also explains why when you are playing your best; it is like you are on autopilot. Your habits stored in the subconscious are running the show. At least as far as performing the shot. The less interference you put in the way of the subconscious the better it works. Interference can only come from the conscious mind. So keeping the conscious mind out of the way allows you to play at your best.

By the way, the subconscious does not know right from wrong. This is why the knowledge that smoking or eating badly is not good for you does not help you change your habit.

So the two minds work together to perform the skill of pool but have completely separate roles. Under normal circumstances, the habit or skill cannot be altered. This is why you don’t improve or improve very slowly by playing pool; all you do is repeat the same habit. Even shooting balls into pockets does not improve your skill. Again all you do is repeat the same habit.

How do you change a habit? That will come in a later post.
 
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