Reason for “expensive “ chalk

BRussell said:
That is THE reason that everyone talks about as to why people use Taom. Occasionally you’ll hear people say they can get more spin; they’re probably the same people who say their carbon fiber cue gets them more spin.

I have seen people who miscue more often with Taom, so that might be a reason someone like SVB would stick with Masters. I don’t think most people have a problem, but who knows, maybe if you’re used to getting further out on the ball, the Taom miscues more. There must be a trade-off between less “stickiness” and more miscues vs more stickiness, fewer miscues, but more skids.
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I´ve used Taom´s since they were prototype and I did say after they released 1st one almost every pro will be using it if they can improve chalk little bit. v2.0 was better and then came Pyro.
Finally came V10 and it is perfected Taom IMO. Works almost every tip. Most of pros are now using it.

There is still sometimes problems with it. Minor ones but some laminated tips reveal more glue between layers than others and when shaped.
Taom seem to be work some kind "burning" effect on softer surface. When it hits to hard spot on glue between layers, it can miscue easier.
Then chalk "burn" effect kinda swaps and stick very tight on cueball. I use Elk Master and very little problems with miscues for me but many players use harder laminated tips and those guys miscue more often that good traditional chalk.

This is only my observation over the years but that flaw is very minor and benefits are way better than flaws.
 
Now would be an excellent time for Taom to go to SVB and cut a deal. If SVB switched to Taom after all those skids in his match, and Taom made it known that SVB switched for that reason. Be a hell of a marketing play…
 
mrshifty said:
I remember hearing a commentator say in a previous tournament that Shane seemed to have far fewer skids on average than other players. I'm not sure you can blame it all on Masters chalk.
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I’m not sure either. It was just an observation from Albin I thought I would share
 
I thought it was funny him asking for the cue to be cleaned as I watched the last match on youtube. Now I get it. Yea, he's prolly done with masters.
 
trob said:
Yeah he definitely asked for the cue ball cleaned before most 8 balls like he knows it’s an issue.
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Not the reason for sure. It's been a long time 'Move' for the players to have a few more moments to calm down before shooting critical shots in a match.
 
trob said:
I’m not sure either. It was just an observation from Albin I thought I would share
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both can be true. ronnie-o was long said to get less skids than other snooker players because of his cue action. then they all played with masters/triangle. now he's the only one left using triangle or traditional chalk, and i doubt it's still true that he gets less skids.
 
BigBoof said:
I have started getting lots of miscues lately with Toam Pyro and have gone back to Triangle chalk. My cueball looks like it has a strange disease but see no weird reactions.

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Direct reply to @BigBoof and the rest of the members in this thread:

How old is your tip and is it due for a replacement? Most layered tips start hardening up around 6 to 9 months or so...
 
I must be the odd man out. I've noticed alot MORE skids ever since these fancy chalks came out, whenever my opponents are using them. I seldom ever see a skid from masters or blue diamond.

However, at the absolute limits, miscues are more likely to happen with the cheaper chalks, but thats likely due to an imprefect stroke versus the chalk alone.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
A "skid" (or "kick" or "cling") is when the OB is "thrown" offline more than usual by more than normal friction between the balls, usually caused by a spot of chalk, grime or physical imperfection at the contact point.

pj
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The comments, before AO brought up chalk, were about rain and humidity. This I understood as I think a skid is when the CB slides on the cloth rather than rolling.

What I did not understand was how the CB jumped off the bed when it contacted the ob. Also, CB hopped once when it contacted the rail. Are either of these situations caused by friction?
 
trob said:
As I’ve stated before all the money we blow on silly stuff in life $20 for a piece of chalk that lasts me about 18 months is the least of my financial worries.
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That's a good point. Masters chalk lasts me about three months, I don't know if I'm gratuitous with the chalking or the other stuff is more durable. I get a new tip every 4-5 months for $20 so if you think about the budget for consumables, your chalk isn't a big deal. I like not worrying if I lose or forget a chalk.

One thing I haven't seen being discussed is the other side of the economics. I would be shocked if Masters has less than 75% of the market. So if someone's trying to break into the market, they are recouping expenses such as R&D, marketing, package design, and production equipment from a very small portion of the market. Even if raw cost of production is no different, they would still need to sell at a much higher price point to see an appreciable profit, especially if they are not like Predator, selling a bunch of other equipment.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I've used nothing but Masters for 30+ years - can't remember the last time I got a skid/kick.

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Really? That's a crazy long time to go without the chalk residue on the CB lining up with the contact point of the balls. I got a skid yesterday. Feels like months since the last one I noticed. But 30 years? That's gotta be the most useless lotto to win ever.
 
NathanDetroit said:
The comments, before AO brought up chalk, were about rain and humidity. This I understood as I think a skid is when the CB slides on the cloth rather than rolling.

What I did not understand was how the CB jumped off the bed when it contacted the ob. Also, CB hopped once when it contacted the rail. Are either of these situations caused by friction?
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For a hopping cueball, my guess is no, but I'm happy to learn something if wrong. A sliding cueball is not a skid. PJ has a good definition i quoted below.
But a hopping OB is a common sign of a skid if backspin on the CB is involved. As the balls cling together at contact, the backspin means the chalk mark is moving upwards so this gives the OB a lil hop.
 
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