Recognize this Palmer M?

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I am researching the history on one of my cues, mainly out of curiosity. It is a nearly unplayed Palmer "M" with a butt design nearly identical (but not exact) to the Meucci Oldie 2 Airplane cue. This would date back to about 1970, the Oldie 2 came out in the 1980's.

Has anyone seen this cue before? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris
 

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All joking aside, I've always liked that design.

BUT,

It seems that Bob Meucci liked it more... :p

Thanks,

Jon :rolleyes: :D
 
BiG_JoN said:
All joking aside, I've always liked that design.

BUT,

It seems that Bob Meucci liked it more... :p

Thanks,

Jon :rolleyes: :D
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Hi Jon,

That's what I'm wondering: Do I have "THE" airplane cue that inspired Meucci? I have a trace on it's history going back awhile, so hopefully someone will be able to give me more info. I've also sent Bob Meucci a note - hopefully I'll get an answer.

At one time, I had a chance to buy the original Burton Spain cue that inspired the Meucci MO -7. I should have. It was a beautiful cue but it was more than I was willing to pay at that time. Check it out:Burton Spain Cue

This is what makes this stuff so interesting.

Chris
 
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TATE said:
I am researching the history on one of my cues, mainly out of curiosity. It is a nearly unplayed Palmer "M" with a butt design nearly identical (but not exact) to the Meucci Oldie 2 Airplane cue. This would date back to about 1970, the Oldie 2 came out in the 1980's.

Has anyone seen this cue before? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris
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Looks like a re-worked Palmer...randyg
 
TATE said:
Barbara,

Have you seen this cue before?

Chris
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Chris,

Yes, I have seen that cue at Valley Forge. The forearm is all Palmer, but the butt design doesn't seem right.

I would go search classicsues.com and billiardcue.com to see if they have one.

Barbara
 
TATE said:
I am researching the history on one of my cues, mainly out of curiosity. It is a nearly unplayed Palmer "M" with a butt design nearly identical (but not exact) to the Meucci Oldie 2 Airplane cue. This would date back to about 1970, the Oldie 2 came out in the 1980's.

Has anyone seen this cue before? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris
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Chris,

I just looked that cue up in my Billiard Encyclopedia. That cue is from Palmer's second catalog. However, the butt on the cue you have is not the original butt of that cue. The original Palmer but continued with the lined inlays and MOP dots, and had a clear plastic ring with foil inside.

Joe Van Buren posts here and is a cue expert. Maybe he'll see this thread and reply.

Barbara
 
TATE said:
I am researching the history on one of my cues, mainly out of curiosity. It is a nearly unplayed Palmer "M" with a butt design nearly identical (but not exact) to the Meucci Oldie 2 Airplane cue. This would date back to about 1970, the Oldie 2 came out in the 1980's.

Has anyone seen this cue before? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris
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Chris...Randy has likely seen more Palmer cues than anyone in the country, outside of the Balner family. I'd have to agree with him, that it looks like a reworked Palmer cue, with a Meucci butt sleeve. The only one who could really say is long passed on. His son, Peter Balner, is still alive, and a successful businessman on the east coast, but no longer associated with the billiards biz.

Scott
 
Barbara said:
Chris,

Yes, I have seen that cue at Valley Forge. The forearm is all Palmer, but the butt design doesn't seem right.

I would go search classicsues.com and billiardcue.com to see if they have one.

Barbara
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Barbara...

Your about the only one outside of Randy with a clue.

This cue was on a site, not ours, for 4-5 years, till someone dopey enough bought the cue. The cue was offered to us before then, and anyone with half a brain would know the butt sleeve was replaced with a Meucci butt sleeve. The cue was totally refinished at that point making the cue look somewhat "original". I was asked about this cue many times and just chuckle every time it resurfaces.

But today.. justice has been served.

Joe
 
Joe,

I have to step in and correct you...laughingly. IMO this butt sleeve is a copy of a Meucci airplane. I don't think Bob's company ever used bondo for inlay materials. Maybe whoever did the work wanted it to look like bone.

Sean
www.cueaddicts.com
 
Scott Lee said:
I'd have to agree with him, that it looks like a reworked Palmer cue, with a Meucci butt sleeve. The only one who could really say is long passed on. His son, Peter Balner, is still alive, and a successful businessman on the east coast, but no longer associated with the billiards biz.

Scott
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I have one of the early Meucci Oldies. The dimensions of the inlay and materials are different. The Palmer has real abalone and bone. The Palmer design is narrower with a smaller radius on the inlay curve, different measurements on everything except the length of the prop.

I am pretty sure this is the design that Meucci later copied. I will let you know what I find out.

Chris
 
classiccues said:
Barbara...

Your about the only one outside of Randy with a clue.

This cue was on a site, not ours, for 4-5 years, till someone dopey enough bought the cue. The cue was offered to us before then, and anyone with half a brain would know the butt sleeve was replaced with a Meucci butt sleeve. The cue was totally refinished at that point making the cue look somewhat "original". I was asked about this cue many times and just chuckle every time it resurfaces.

But today.. justice has been served.

Joe
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Joe,

After my recent experience with you and Mark K., I would not believe a single word you said. If you want to start a pissing match with me, let's do it right here, right now sonny.

Chris
 
cueaddicts said:
Joe,

I have to step in and correct you...laughingly. IMO this butt sleeve is a copy of a Meucci airplane. I don't think Bob's company ever used bondo for inlay materials. Maybe whoever did the work wanted it to look like bone.

Sean
www.cueaddicts.com
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Sean,

Do you know this for a fact?

Chris
 
TATE said:
I have one of the early Meucci Oldies. The dimensions of the inlay and materials are different. The Palmer has real abalone and bone. The Palmer design is narrower with a smaller radius on the inlay curve, different measurements on everything except the length of the prop.

I am pretty sure this is the design that Meucci later copied. I will let you know what I find out.

Chris
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Chris,

Get a hold of someone that has a copy of Palmer's second catalog or a Billiards Encyclopedia. It will show you what the original butt of that cue should look like because what you've got ain't it!

Sorry, but that's the truth.

Barbara
 
Barbara said:
Chris,

Get a hold of someone that has a copy of Palmer's second catalog or a Billiards Encyclopedia. It will show you what the original butt of that cue should look like because what you've got ain't it!

Sorry, but that's the truth.

Barbara
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Barbara,

No need to apologize. I already have all that stuff. Palmer did customs all the time. What I was trying to find out was if someone knew the history on this cue, not what a model M looks like.

Chris
 
From what I saw in the pictures, I'd be willing to bet that the cue has a Meucci bottom! It would be easy enough to tell with a few measurements. If the inlays measure out the same, I'd find it highly unlikely that it was anything else! A design like that would be difficult to reproduce exactly, unless someone was driven to make it look exactly like the original. Not likely!
It's not that unusal to find hybrid cues around. I once took a McMeucci as a trade in. It was a Meucci that had been broken and sent to McDermott for repair. It ended up with the McD joint & pin with 2 McD shafts and Ivory ferrules! Talk about a Morphadite!

Sherm
 
Chris,

This cue was offered on a cue dealer's site for a few years back. I believe that Joe Sanko also had the cue before him even (I recall it being displayed in Joe's booth one year at the Superbilliards EXPO). He may have actually done the work on the back end. You could probably contact him and ask if he knows the history on it.

This kind of a sleeve is really nothing close to anything Palmer has ever done... plus it has the wrong butt cap, bumper, & weight screw. I looked this cue over pretty close when Dick had it. Those "bone" inlays looked really suspect to me. It may be a Meucci sleeve that was turned down then filled in with some material after the inlays got too thin. Shape was a little different, too.

Incidently, this cue was offered to us about 6 months ago with some guy giving us the song and dance about Palmer inventing this style, Meucci copied it, and how super rare it was. It's definitely rare.

Sean
 
cueaddicts said:
Chris,

This cue was offered on a cue dealer's site for a few years back. I believe that Joe Sanko also had the cue before him even (I recall it being displayed in Joe's booth one year at the Superbilliards EXPO). He may have actually done the work on the back end. You could probably contact him and ask if he knows the history on it.

This kind of a sleeve is really nothing close to anything Palmer has ever done... plus it has the wrong butt cap, bumper, & weight screw. I looked this cue over pretty close when Dick had it. Those "bone" inlays looked really suspect to me. It may be a Meucci sleeve that was turned down then filled in with some material after the inlays got too thin. Shape was a little different, too.

Incidently, this cue was offered to us about 6 months ago with some guy giving us the song and dance about Palmer inventing this style, Meucci copied it, and how super rare it was. It's definitely rare.

Sean
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Thanks for the info. Dick couldn't remember Joe Sanko's name - but I'll contact him.

Chris
 
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