Record For 9-Ball Racks Run, But.....
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No, not 13 in a row. But 13 spreads in a row where I had a chance, I felt. It might have taken 40 breaks to get 13 spreads where I felt I had a chance to run.
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David matlock and fat randy Wallace both ran 28 racks of 9.....randy did it back to back with one miss in between
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You need a mental coach/sports psychologist......not a guy telling you what to do physically.
Just my opinion after reading your posts after many years.
It’s not like you don’t know what to do. I firmly believe you have problems with your focus
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In 1969 I was stationed at Great Lakes Naval Base and a guy named Asa Woodbury ran 15 racks of what we called 'Chicago' 9-ball.......these were the rules:
double on break
double on run
call the 9 shot
re-spot the 9 until it is the last ball on the table
He used and old Rambow with a dead-flat tip....
double on break
double on run
call the 9 shot
re-spot the 9 until it is the last ball on the table
He used and old Rambow with a dead-flat tip....
Nah, just take up one pocket like me lol!
Imo, having so many different people " teach " you seems it may be counter productive as they probably have different techniques and theories . Kinda like when studying martial arts there is only one " master "?
Out of curiousity... about how many break and runs in 9ball do you get in say a 2 hour period?
Playing one pocket I probably only have 2 or 3 break and runs per hour.
get in line. that's an average day for me, no matter which game i'm playing
I played Mike at his house, on his 9' gold crown, for 3 hours on Thursday. I watched him warm up and saw one stroke flaw that was causing his problem. He was pushing out his elbow on the stroke 3 to 5". I also noticed his tip wasn't on CCB when he thought it was, he was consistently 1/2 tip left of CCB.
Mike has very good hand to eye coordination, he fixed the elbow problem almost immediately.
His table plays superb but the pockets play fairly tight. He ran one rack while we played but had a lot of 6 to 8 ball runs. It's clear he watches a lot of professional matches by watching his pattern play and CB positioning. He has little problem consistently hitting 1/2 and 1/4 ball shots and playing position from those shots with outside and inside English. He played quite well.
I encouraged Mike to get in some leagues in Bloomington or Evansville and make friends with some good players to regularly play with. I would say his biggest weakness is his safety play which he would fix with regular competition. There's no doubt Mike would be a solid 7/9 in the Indianapolis APA league. With some regular competition, I believe he'd easily be a solid B player if not a little better.
I watched Mike's stroke a lot as we played, I don't think he needs more stroke lessons if he continues to eliminate the flaring elbow. He has a very slight elbow drop that doesn't occur until after the tip contacts the CB. I think Mike's biggest problem is his competitive world consists of him comparing himself to the pros he watches on video. If he'll get out and play other "mere mortals" he'll realize how good his game is which will help his attitude and confidence.
Mike has very good hand to eye coordination, he fixed the elbow problem almost immediately.
His table plays superb but the pockets play fairly tight. He ran one rack while we played but had a lot of 6 to 8 ball runs. It's clear he watches a lot of professional matches by watching his pattern play and CB positioning. He has little problem consistently hitting 1/2 and 1/4 ball shots and playing position from those shots with outside and inside English. He played quite well.
I encouraged Mike to get in some leagues in Bloomington or Evansville and make friends with some good players to regularly play with. I would say his biggest weakness is his safety play which he would fix with regular competition. There's no doubt Mike would be a solid 7/9 in the Indianapolis APA league. With some regular competition, I believe he'd easily be a solid B player if not a little better.
I watched Mike's stroke a lot as we played, I don't think he needs more stroke lessons if he continues to eliminate the flaring elbow. He has a very slight elbow drop that doesn't occur until after the tip contacts the CB. I think Mike's biggest problem is his competitive world consists of him comparing himself to the pros he watches on video. If he'll get out and play other "mere mortals" he'll realize how good his game is which will help his attitude and confidence.
You know... I really thought he played well. You can tell by his attitude and frustration. I know this because I am very similar in beating myself up.
I really hope he takes your advice on getting out and competing, it is something that I have been saying for years... but see my disclaimer, I'm really no one to offer any advice to someone.
I used to get all shitty and stuff with him like others here until I really started to see how similar I can be. I understand to an extent as I can be very hard on myself too... not to the point of publicly degrading myself on the internet, but I do it to myself a lot. (ie saying "nice shot jackass" "You stupid bastard" to myself)
I wish DCP would come to the Expo or the Open or something like that. I know he mentioned that a lot of the players where he is are pretty bad and that was part of his hesitation for joining a league. The Expo is a great place to get some good competition. $100 bucks get you entry to the expo for all 4 days and also gets you in the Amateur Open which has some super tough competition from all over the country. Not to mention the action tables where you can play 5 or 10 dollar racks of 9 ball to your hearts content.
If he only ran one rack in 3 hrs of play, and only runs 6-8, he shouldn’t be a 9 in APA play, unless you have a very soft league. One of our 9s in our league played Mika in a tournament 2 weeks ago, and lost 11-6, because he broke dry in 4 of his breaks. That’s a few steps above 6-8 ball runs.
While I tend to agree with you, there are many different grades of SL9 in the APA. You could have one that shoots and plays pro caliber or you can have one that plays high B level. Also, break and runs and rack win are not the only factors that go into calculating that level as I'm sure you know. APA plays 9ball by ball/point count and the rating is calulated a certain way via that score and your inning and safety counts as well. Naturally if you break and run a lot that inning count will be low.
It is also my understanding that DCP plays on a tougher then most 9 foot Gold Crown and per his posts it is notoriously stingy on the break. Factor this in with the fact that the majority of APA 9ball is played on barbox and Valleys at that, I'm sure DCP's as well as anybody else's, runout count would be higher.
So just being fair and playing devil's advocate, DCP struggling to run a rack on his tougher then normal 9 foot GC is no criteria whatsoever for an APA skill level.
Plus, with all that being said... being a 9 in the APA really isn't much of an accomplishment. I quit APA league 6 years ago and I was a 9 back then. I still play everyday and I feel like I play considerably better then I did back then plus I am playing on much tougher equipment regularly. I still feel like I suck at the game.
In a random APA division a skill level 9 might be few and far between. In the rest of the pool world, they are a dime a dozen.
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Shawn, that's great. What would have been the result had the weakest 9 in the league played Mika? Was this a 9 foot table with tight pockets or a 7 foot barbox?
I think the Indianapolis APA league is relatively weak compared to the stronger leagues like Chicago for example. I was just putting it into the only perspective I had. Mike is not a pro for sure but he's not a hack that can't pocket 3 balls in a row either. Thanks for your positive post.
Excellent post and dead on. Most really good players don't bother with APA as the competition level is too low. But the 9's are still better than 95% plus of the league. I was just offering a perspective. Reading many of Mike's posts would lead people to believe he can't run 3 or 4 balls. That's clearly not the case. To put things in further perspective, Mike probably didn't play 10 hours of pool before he was 45. He worked and saved/invested his money for 30 plus years so he could comfortably retire at age 56. He can't beat Earl Strickland but he does have a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of. I noticed he had a new Alfa Romeo in the garage and a new F150 in the driveway, both paid for. What a bum.
Words to live by.
Sorry, but to put it politely, I'm a bit skeptical. Where? When? What witnesses? What kind of tables? How many shims? New cloth? Simonis?
Were they playing for money? How much? Who were they playing with? Who was racking?
Frankly, if you are playing on a good, double shimmed table, there ain't any way you can break and make a ball 28 racks in a row.
I believe Feijan likely did his 15 because I saw 17 games won in a row at the Enlisted Men's Club in Baltimore's Inner Harbor way back when. It was in a $50 a game 7 man ring game with the house man racking and it was a double shimmed perfectly set up ring game table. Paid double on the run and double on the break. That adds up to $10,200 in a day when you could buy a decent tract home for that price.
Anybody remember that place?
Homan ran 28 racks of 8 ball warming up for the ipt.
Both randy and David’s runs were on a barbox during gambling matches.
Not sure who they played and for how much but story’s been verified.....
Imop the record that won’t ever be beat is Eddie Taylor’s banks in a row record in competition it was 43 if I’m not mistaken.
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