reduce the luck factor in 9 ball...

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fan-tum

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by playing safe only when first calling safe. At other times if you accidentally get hooked by your opponent, you can roll-out like on the inning following the break shot. This is slightly different from the old one-foul push-out popular before Texas Express.
 
This takes away multi-way shots (two-way, three-way, etc), since you cannot call a pocket and call safe at the same time. IMO, the only thing that needs to be changed about 9-ball is the 9 counting on the break. You can change that rule without affecting the flow of the game, and it speeds up the racking process.
 
As much as I hate to admit it, you're right. I absolutely can't stand when someone misses a ball so badly that they leave me hooked behind a ball, but to take away 2-way shots would alter the game too much.

As far as the 9 on the break, it makes little difference to me. It happens so rarely that it's not a huge factor. But it also encourages players to break hard, which I like.

Cuebacca said:
This takes away multi-way shots (two-way, three-way, etc), since you cannot call a pocket and call safe at the same time. IMO, the only thing that needs to be changed about 9-ball is the 9 counting on the break. You can change that rule without affecting the flow of the game, and it speeds up the racking process.
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StevenPWaldon said:
As much as I hate to admit it, you're right. I absolutely can't stand when someone misses a ball so badly that they leave me hooked behind a ball, but to take away 2-way shots would alter the game too much.

As far as the 9 on the break, it makes little difference to me. It happens so rarely that it's not a huge factor. But it also encourages players to break hard, which I like.
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True, it does happen only rarely, but you never know when that will be. So if you don't want your opponent winning on the break, you have to make sure each and every 9-ball is racked tight, which is a hassle. When I am racking, I don't mind getting them tight, but what I find a pain is to get the other guy to rack his 9's tight.

I suppose what I could do is just be quiet and try to rack my own 9's loose and shoot for the 9 on every break, but I feel that's dishonest, even though it would probably help my case more than my current approach. :D
 
fan-tum said:
by playing safe only when first calling safe. At other times if you accidentally get hooked by your opponent, you can roll-out like on the inning following the break shot. This is slightly different from the old one-foul push-out popular before Texas Express.
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It will take too long. To reduce the luck all you have to do is if your opponent lucks in a ball it is your option to either shoot or let your oponent shot. This will eliminate a ton of luck and keep the game at a quick pace. As far as accidental safties we will just have to live with it. IMO.
 
fan-tum said:
by playing safe only when first calling safe. At other times if you accidentally get hooked by your opponent, you can roll-out like on the inning following the break shot. This is slightly different from the old one-foul push-out popular before Texas Express.
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This is a call for changes to all venues:tourny, league,etc."Two way shots" could be called in advance, and the opponent wouldn't be able to push-out if the shooter misses. (Haven't thought out this last wrinkle-there might be inherent flaws.)
TV tournies are free of course to use Tex EXP.
 
fan-tum said:
This is a call for changes to all venues:tourny, league,etc."Two way shots" could be called in advance, and the opponent wouldn't be able to push-out if the shooter misses. (Haven't thought out this last wrinkle-there might be inherent flaws.)
TV tournies are free of course to use Tex EXP.
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There will definitely be wrinkles... "I call a 55 way shot: One of those 9 balls in one of those 6 pockets or safe if I miss!" :D ;)
 
Accidental hooks are part of most every pool game... and they tend to even out over time. It's not worth changing imo.
 
like has been said - you can't implement this change because it would erdicate two way shots (if you make it you're on the next ball, if you miss you've left him snookered).

but like neil said, that's just nine ball. complaining that there's too much luck in short races of nine ball is like saying water is too wet. play ten ball to eradicate the luck and nine's on the break (well the nine ball will go in more in ten ball but it wont have the same effect :).

anyways ten ball on ten foot diamond's is the future!!!!!!
 
worriedbeef said:
anyways ten ball on ten foot diamond's is the future!!!!!!
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Now you're just talkin crazy. Everyone knows that 13-ball on 13 foot Gabriels is the future. :D
 
fan-tum said:
by playing safe only when first calling safe.
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Yep, and also when you call safe and stick the cueball behind another ball but get a bad roll and pocket a ball accidentally it's still the other guy's shot. I sure wish we had had this rule in effect in the tournament I just played in this weekend. At least we had the "spot the 9 on the break rule" and take ball in hand, which I much prefer to winning a game by sinking the 9 on the break.
 
You're trying to fix a problem that didn't exist 20 years ago.
Why?
Because 9-ball was always (and still should be) 2 SHOT FOUL.

One shot foul is a product of "Texas Express" rules, which became the defacto standard in the 80's due to the perceived increase in TV appeal.

Most players today haven't even heard of 2-Shot Foul 9-Ball, but it's a much better game with significantly more strategy.

-von
 
So what would be the consequence for failing to call a safe? Ball-in-hand?

Also....what would be the consequence for calling a 2-way, but failing to successfully execute that? Ball-in-hand?
 
StevenPWaldon said:
I absolutely can't stand when someone misses a ball so badly that they leave me hooked behind a ball
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And to make it worse after they miss and leave you hooked is you kick and leave them a shot and they run out and win or you kick and miss the ball and they get ball in hand and run out after badly missing a ball!

James
 
worriedbeef said:
like has been said - you can't implement this change because it would erdicate two way shots (if you make it you're on the next ball, if you miss you've left him snookered).

but like neil said, that's just nine ball. complaining that there's too much luck in short races of nine ball is like saying water is too wet. play ten ball to eradicate the luck and nine's on the break (well the nine ball will go in more in ten ball but it wont have the same effect :).

anyways ten ball on ten foot diamond's is the future!!!!!!
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How does ten ball "eradicate " the luck? It's basically 9 ball + 1
 
VonRhett said:
You're trying to fix a problem that didn't exist 20 years ago.
Why?
Because 9-ball was always (and still should be) 2 SHOT FOUL.

One shot foul is a product of "Texas Express" rules, which became the defacto standard in the 80's due to the perceived increase in TV appeal.

Most players today haven't even heard of 2-Shot Foul 9-Ball, but it's a much better game with significantly more strategy.

-von
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That would get my vote along with 9 on break gets spotted. Johnnyt
 
I must be in the minority who actually likes Texas Express rules just the way they are. To me, its exciting to watch a match that turns on a dime with one player getting incredible rolls. Its part of the drama of nineball that I think the fans enjoy sweating.
 
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