ref marks the ball with his hand at womens us open semi final

lee brett

lee brett

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I was just watching espn, womens us open Gerda Hofstater versus Jeanette Lee.

At 6-4 to Gerda, jeanette is shooting the 6 ball in the side pocket and asks the ref to clean the 6, he then keeps his left hand squeezed against the 6 ball then puts a rag on the table and wipes the 6 on it with his other hand.

Most unprofessonal thing i seen during a tv match by any ref, where was his ball marker? or at least use the chalk.

Anyone else see this?
 
lee brett said:
I was just watching espn, womens us open Gerda Hofstater versus Jeanette Lee.

At 6-4 to Gerda, jeanette is shooting the 6 ball in the side pocket and asks the ref to clean the 6, he then keeps his left hand squeezed against the 6 ball then puts a rag on the table and wipes the 6 on it with his other hand.

Most unprofessonal thing i seen during a tv match by any ref, where was his ball marker? or at least use the chalk.

Anyone else see this?
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I have seen something similar. Where was the event being held? Do you know who the ref was?
 
I've seen others do that, pretty sure Scott Smith has done this in several matches I have seen. That ball marker seems pretty new to me, I've seen the hand thing done, using chalk to mark position of the ball.

Jay H can probably give us lots of info about what he has seen and done to mark a ball position.
 
I believe the ref used his left hand as the ball marker. Picked up and cleaned the ball with his right hand, while left hand remained on the table.
 
Bob Jewett said:
How do you clean the bottom of the ball if you're holding it in position?

A competent referee will use a ball marker.
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I feel, in a televised match, that a ball marker and gloves should be mandatory.
 
RealLive said:
did it look like jeanette cared? just wondering
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We should all care if there is an audience. The referee is part of the experience. Watch Ms. Tabb do snooker, for example.

If you're just gambling, then, whatever.
 
I forget Steve's last name - been ref for the WPBA for years. He doesn't leave the ball on the table. He puts his thumb against his hand/index finger like a closed bridge, then puts his hand next to the ball so the ball is in the crotch area between thumb & hand. That marks the ball position. Then he removes the ball, leaves the marking hand in place, and cleans the ball w/ one hand - rubbing on the cloth he places on the table.
Formal marker might be best, but what he does is effective in an open area. Could get dicey if there was congestion.
 
This is one of the things that hurt professional pool.

People at home watching i am sure have no clue what is going on at this point, and it's VERY annoying.

If i was playing on ESPN i sure as hell am not going to stop everything over 1 spot that most likely wont effect anything. I have never did it gambling or a tournament and most pro's dont either in the real world... So why do it on TV??? :angry:
 
mdavis228 said:
I forget Steve's last name - been ref for the WPBA for years. He doesn't leave the ball on the table. He puts his thumb against his hand/index finger like a closed bridge, then puts his hand next to the ball so the ball is in the crotch area between thumb & hand. That marks the ball position. Then he removes the ball, leaves the marking hand in place, and cleans the ball w/ one hand - rubbing on the cloth he places on the table.
Formal marker might be best, but what he does is effective in an open area. Could get dicey if there was congestion.
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It's Steve Tipton. I've seen this practice done many times before with no problems. I watched this match awhile back but don't recall if Steve was wearing gloves, which I agree should be worn by anyone refereeing a televised match. Still, this entire instance was hardly worth noticing and had no effect on the play.
 
mdavis228 said:
I forget Steve's last name - been ref for the WPBA for years. He doesn't leave the ball on the table. He puts his thumb against his hand/index finger like a closed bridge, then puts his hand next to the ball so the ball is in the crotch area between thumb & hand. That marks the ball position. Then he removes the ball, leaves the marking hand in place, and cleans the ball w/ one hand - rubbing on the cloth he places on the table.
Formal marker might be best, but what he does is effective in an open area. Could get dicey if there was congestion.
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Exactly how Jay does it if no ball marker is available. If one, he will use it...
 
Anyone in charge of a tournament larger than a weekly event should own a ball marker. Anyone involved in a televised event should have white gloves.
 
Fieldhammer said:
Anyone in charge of a tournament larger than a weekly event should own a ball marker. Anyone involved in a televised event should have white gloves.
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Agreed. Any professional referee should own and have a ball marker on them at all times. Just saying.

Bill Stock
 
Bill S said:
Agreed. Any professional referee should own and have a ball marker on them at all times. Just saying.

Bill Stock
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Well, my ball marker is solid brass:thumbup:. What's yours? And can it measure whether a ball will fit on the spot like Ms. Tabb's?
 
yankeepapa said:
So...where can one buy one of these verschlugginner ball markers?

pete
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I have a friend who has a machine shop and he made me one. It has some useful features but I think there are lots of items in the hardware section of Home Depot that would work. Mine is in the shape of a V. I put the two legs up against the ball and then remove the ball. The legs are each a ball radius long so that you can tell whether a ball is interfering with spotting a ball.

There are snooker ball markers but the dimensions would be slightly wrong. I can't find a place to buy them.
 
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