Removed the ferrule and love it.

JimS

JimS

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I while back I read a post from Bob Jewett stating that he plays with a cue from which he has had the ferrule removed and the tip attached to the end of the shaft. Since end mass is what causes deflection he said his cue w/no ferrule effectively reduces end mass greatly and consequently plays with very little deflection.

Made sense to me so while having a stack wrap and some other work done I had Ryan at RAT cues www.poolndarts.com remove the ferrule from one of the 3 shafts I had for the cue and then attach a Morri Quick w/pad to the end of the shaft. The shaft is also very thin... 11.4mm.

I love it. Great hit and almost zero deflection noted from my admittedly non-scientific testing since I got it back a couple days ago.

Also.. I'm used to a wrapless cue but the stack wrap that Ryan put on is the closest thing to feeling like a wrapless cue that I've found. Great look and great feel and great work on the wrap and the rest of the work as well Ryan!

Curious to see what people here think about going with no ferrule. At first it seems kinda like going w/no underpants :D Comments? Discussion?
 
JimS said:
I while back I read a post from Bob Jewett stating that he plays with a cue from which he has had the ferrule removed and the tip attached to the end of the shaft.
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I'm jealous. I"ve been talking about having a no-ferrule shaft made for about 10 years, and I've still not done it. I just suck.

But, I'd do it for feel, not for squirt characteristics.


Made sense to me so while having a stack wrap and some other work done I had Ryan at RAT cues www.poolndarts.com remove the ferrule from one of the 3 shafts I had for the cue and then attach a Morri Quick w/pad to the end of the shaft.
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Is it shorter then?, or did you just have it tapered down to match the ferrule dowel (which would be strange, IMO). The 11.4 mm diameter probably is the majority of the reduction in squirt.

Curious to see what people here think about going with no ferrule. At first it seems kinda like going w/no underpants :D Comments? Discussion?
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Listen... going w/no underpants isn't so bad.

I think discussion is almost pointless. You'll get the doom-and-gloomers warning of impending splitting. And then you'll get guys like me who'll say that the ferrule was there when people didn't use leather tips and that when the leather tips were invented, the ferrules remained, and that the ferrule doesn't do what people think it does.

YOU will be the true advice-giver on this one.

Fred
 
JimS said:
I while back I read a post from Bob Jewett stating that he plays with a cue from which he has had the ferrule removed and the tip attached to the end of the shaft. Since end mass is what causes deflection he said his cue w/no ferrule effectively reduces end mass greatly and consequently plays with very little deflection.

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and it looks as ugly as hell.

amongst other things, it looks better and more finished with a ferrule. cosmetically it creates a better "presentation" of the tip,,,like a pedestal.

additionally, you see the tip better because of the added contrast of the light colored ferrule.

when and if you maintain your tip, you will have to deal with getting the shaft scratched and messy.

you could accomplish the very thing you seek by asking for a soft, thin-walled ferrule and a fat tenon with the cap cut off(called "tenon through")....and also play with a soft tip. shortening the ferrule helps also, and that is already done on 3c cues.

btw,,,tenon through is not for everyone because you feel the hit more, and it feels(though it isn't) harder...and many people won't like that hard, raw, naked feel. the ferrule acts kinda like a buffer.
 
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Hi Jim,
I decided it's time to push the limits of science to test this theory. In order to establish a base line for the experiment I established a tight set of controls and video taped the experiment. Over the years, I've read all of the debates, arguments and theories regarding throw, swerve and deflection. Please print the following results---have them evaluated by every engineer you know.
First, I set up a straight in, 24 inch shot. (I used the measle cue ball) I hit the shot using a standard ivory ferruled shaft, new Moori soft tip while wearing Fruit of the Loom tightie whities.
Next, I set up the exact same shot, using the same measle cue ball but I removed the Fruit of the Looms.
I then repeated both scenarios using an OB1 shaft (wooden ferrule). I reviewed the shots frame by frame and was shocked at what I saw. The balls seemed to actually wobble from the effects of each collision using one set of controls and did not using the other. I challenge anyone to disprove this phenomenon that to my knowledge, has never been documented until now.
Believe it or not,
Rip
 
Did

the amount of wobble have a positive coefficient to the amount of squirt???
 
I'm guessing there was less woble while wearing the Fruit of the Looms?

Rip said:
Hi Jim,
I decided it's time to push the limits of science to test this theory. In order to establish a base line for the experiment I established a tight set of controls and video taped the experiment. Over the years, I've read all of the debates, arguments and theories regarding throw, swerve and deflection. Please print the following results---have them evaluated by every engineer you know.
First, I set up a straight in, 24 inch shot. (I used the measle cue ball) I hit the shot using a standard ivory ferruled shaft, new Moori soft tip while wearing Fruit of the Loom tightie whities.
Next, I set up the exact same shot, using the same measle cue ball but I removed the Fruit of the Looms.
I then repeated both scenarios using an OB1 shaft (wooden ferrule). I reviewed the shots frame by frame and was shocked at what I saw. The balls seemed to actually wobble from the effects of each collision using one set of controls and did not using the other. I challenge anyone to disprove this phenomenon that to my knowledge, has never been documented until now.
Believe it or not,
Rip
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Snapshot9 said:
the amount of wobble have a positive coefficient to the amount of squirt???
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I suspect that the increased wobble was due to consumption of beverages. I can see where getting rid of tight underwear would loosen up your stroke, but I doubt that it would change the amount of wobble.
 
suspect that the increased wobble was due to consumption of beverages. I can see where getting rid of tight underwear would loosen up your stroke, but I doubt that it would change the amount of wobble.

Actually the angle of the dangle is proportional to the heat of the meat. Going commando loses much of its benefits when fully stretched across the table shooting opposite handed with a cross breeze.

Andy
 
the angle of the dangle is surely irrelevant when your tip is soft. you need a hard tip and then you make sure the angle is pointing upwards as you give it a good firm stroke.
 
So THAT'S it! And all this time I thought the "angle of the dangle is equal to the mass of the ass". Now I understand!!
-von

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Actually the angle of the dangle is proportional to the heat of the meat......
Andy
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I logged on tonight and saw that my thread had 11 replies and thought I'd read some interesting stuff. I was right but I'm disappointed. I should have somehow kept Rip away from the thread. The word "underpants" always sets him off. :eek:

But after several more hours of play I really like the shaft w/no ferrule. Great feedback/hard hit and virtually zero deflection. Fun experimnet too. I like going with no und.... OOPS! I don't dare mention the "U" word ... maybe skivies is safe... anyway I like going without them especially in the hot weather. :D
 
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Bar none the funniest thread of 2007... I'm dying. Rip, SnapShot9, WorriedBeef - you guys are hilarious.
 
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