repair lathe

Pinocchio said:
This is a first. I've never seen anyone buy something off ebay an take any guff over it. I bought a hightower deluxe. Chris did not invent the lathe. He makes a serviceable product with reliable service. This is not a Hightower nor does it resemble one. There has been no crime commited here. It"s just a modified lathe to do cue repair an looks like a money maker to me. Good luck with your repair lathe Mooseman.
Pinocchio

Thanks...I don't think I'm receiving any guff. I didn't build the item though I have been thinking about this for some time. I'm taking advantage of a product that looks good and has already been built. I was already considering trying to build something using a mini lathe or using a taig anyway similar to the other auction when I came across this item.

The selling point for me on this one was the bed construction itself. The other parts are bonuses.
 
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Kelly_Guy said:
If you buy my used (hypothetical) deluxe, you tell Chris you bought my used deluxe and would like to use Chris to supply you with parts or upgrades if needed, and there is no problem. Chris can verify with me if he chooses. How did you confuse that with buying a knock off and then asking Chris to bail you out because it doesn't serve your needs?
If the service and parts was going to be there for someone buying a copied lathe, and they wouldn't have to go to Chris for parts and upgrades, we wouldn't be having the discussion.

My suggestion to CHRIS was in response to his mention of possibly not selling individual parts to those who are buying the knock offs. The fact is that this is the way Chris makes his living. Would you rather he stop doing that completely? or try and encourage people to go through him to begin with by a small change in pricing policy.

Kelly
Im not confused, nor do I think that I distinguish between the two. Time is money and chris cant afford to be calling all around the country to find out if the customers story is true or not. Next, I would think that it would be a legal issue to increase the price for some and not others. What if im hispanic, Asian or white and feel that im getting the shaft because because of my origon. I could potentially use this against him. One reason people do buy is because of service. You then use this as a marketing scheme, not rasing prices. Going to Chris to be bailed out from a knock off is just another inity of his business. Do you buy a chevy and take it to a chevy repair station, or do you take it to a ford station, or even an nondenominational station. (meaning repair place with no distint affiliation) Last, No! I encourage people to go through him. If he were to quit this business this would be very bad for all of us. But, having said that if he did quit, someone else would step in and fill his void. We are all replaceble no matter how valued we are! I think one thing that everyone forgets here, is that we are all driven me economics in one way or another. Let face it and be honest. ECONOMICS is everything. Either we have it or we dont.
 
bubsbug said:
Im not confused, nor do I think that I distinguish between the two. Time is money and chris cant afford to be calling all around the country to find out if the customers story is true or not. Next, I would think that it would be a legal issue to increase the price for some and not others. What if im hispanic, Asian or white and feel that im getting the shaft because because of my origon. I could potentially use this against him. One reason people do buy is because of service. You then use this as a marketing scheme, not rasing prices. Going to Chris to be bailed out from a knock off is just another inity of his business. Do you buy a chevy and take it to a chevy repair station, or do you take it to a ford station, or even an nondenominational station. (meaning repair place with no distint affiliation) Last, No! I encourage people to go through him. If he were to quit this business this would be very bad for all of us. But, having said that if he did quit, someone else would step in and fill his void. We are all replaceble no matter how valued we are! I think one thing that everyone forgets here, is that we are all driven me economics in one way or another. Let face it and be honest. ECONOMICS is everything. Either we have it or we dont.

It is interesting you feel compelled to speak for Chris. Your legal issue talk is absurd. Merchants only have to honor advertised prices, beyond that, they can give a discount to whoever the hell they want.
Kelly
 
just a little insight from the knock off guy

Hey, I respect Chris too. I think that his delux lathe is a very good and well thought out design. The unfortunate part is that the mid size and below are really nothing more than a taig lathe that has a longer bed. I do not want to stir anyone up, especially chris, but if the rest of us could out right buy the bed that taig makes for Chris, than we wouldn't be in this situation. Many of us simply want to do repairs without having to retip 200 cues just to get our investment back. I wanted to buy Chris's lathe myself and if I had the money I would still buy his delux if I were still interested in building cues. I just realized that most of them were nothing more than a taig lathe, which have been around longer than all of the cuesmiths. I could not justify paying $1000 for an extended bed. So I now have the price down to around $150 without the rack. These beds are being cut by a shop that does very highdollar international custom machine parts for many factories. They are more experienced and have much better tooling than any of us or Chris. I just so happen to have a good friend inside there who plays pool in my room almost every night. So we should all rest assured that the bed is fine. The steady rests at this time are crude compared to the delux but they get the job done affordably. The rest of the parts are standard taig parts, the same as Hightowers so if they break, I can replace them the same for a very reasonable cost. If Chris would like I could put all of the piecec on round tube and pillow blocks, make it all look original and different (would probably be a better design anyways for any one who wants to try it), and then instead of recommending him for parts and his book (as I do all of the time), I will stop making him the extra money that he will get on upgrades such as his router mount and cue supplies. Most of the people who will buy this lathe probably could not afford his, but will now be looking to him for materials and upgrades. He never would have had these sales befor. Competition drives economy. Thanks for reading my book. By the way, many taig users (not cue builders) would like longer beds too.
 
sang4201 said:
Hey, I respect Chris too. I think that his delux lathe is a very good and well thought out design. The unfortunate part is that the mid size and below are really nothing more than a taig lathe that has a longer bed. I do not want to stir anyone up, especially chris, but if the rest of us could out right buy the bed that taig makes for Chris, than we wouldn't be in this situation. Many of us simply want to do repairs without having to retip 200 cues just to get our investment back. I wanted to buy Chris's lathe myself and if I had the money I would still buy his delux if I were still interested in building cues. I just realized that most of them were nothing more than a taig lathe, which have been around longer than all of the cuesmiths. I could not justify paying $1000 for an extended bed. So I now have the price down to around $150 without the rack. These beds are being cut by a shop that does very highdollar international custom machine parts for many factories. They are more experienced and have much better tooling than any of us or Chris. I just so happen to have a good friend inside there who plays pool in my room almost every night. So we should all rest assured that the bed is fine. The steady rests at this time are crude compared to the delux but they get the job done affordably. The rest of the parts are standard taig parts, the same as Hightowers so if they break, I can replace them the same for a very reasonable cost. If Chris would like I could put all of the piecec on round tube and pillow blocks, make it all look original and different (would probably be a better design anyways for any one who wants to try it), and then instead of recommending him for parts and his book (as I do all of the time), I will stop making him the extra money that he will get on upgrades such as his router mount and cue supplies. Most of the people who will buy this lathe probably could not afford his, but will now be looking to him for materials and upgrades. He never would have had these sales befor. Competition drives economy. Thanks for reading my book. By the way, many taig users (not cue builders) would like longer beds too.

Welcome to the forum.
Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy

I agree, the legal issue is obsurd, but unfortunately this is the kind of world that we live in. A man sues McDonalds for having hot coffee spilled in his lap because there is no sign that sayes "cution hot coffee"! Nonetheless, even if someone were to sue because of orgion there would be mounting atturney bills on the manufactures behalf, not to mention loss wages from being off work to go to court. Then there is the whole immage thing. Companies with bad immages, whether it be true or false, usually doesn't fare to well. Perhaps thats why most settle out of court. I do think that manufactures need protection but rasing prices isn't going to do anyone any good. How do you feel about gasoline prices? I don't know, maybe thats why they have patient laws. Sorry, I certainaly do not want to speak for Chris. He is a very nice gentleman who can speak for himself. I think he has a great product with great service. Infact I think he is the best in this industry! So please don't misinterpret my post. I am simply stating basic business princiapals.
 
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I have a Porper Model B and it has more than paid for itself in cue repair. I bought it used for $2000 and now I do 7 events a year with it. I have tried to build on it and it may be me(more than likely) but it does not seem quite accurate enough for me for building cues on. I am dying to get a Hightower Deluxe set up when the timing is right for it. Maybe then I'll let the ol Porper go. I've seen quite a few of Chris's lathes at events and everyone seems to like them that works with them. I guess my vote would be invest in a Hightower Lathe.
 
It happens all the time:

Someone builds a better product, and others will copy it and try to get in the market. Chris' lathe is commendable and deserves praise. How can you fight others copying it? By providing superior service is one way. Chris already does that. One also can create innovations to make their product better, if not, others will.
It is unrealistic to figure that a market will remain closed for too long. I have a Hightower product and like the quality and will support Chris by buying my supplies from him, but I am also looking at CNC in the future. I hope Chris will be there to provide that next step for me! I am sure if he produces one, it will be practical and reliable as all his products are. When we buy a Hightower product, we assume the quality is built in. If we buy one used, we trust in the name. How many would look at the clone and wonder if it is even half as good? I prefer to buy the name brand myself. A few bucks extra buys a peace of mind that is priceless.
If the clone buyer wants parts from Chris, he should be sold them, but not offered any advice as to what will work with his clone! No lengthy time spent with a buyer about dimensions and such, hey it fits a deluxe, enough said! It is on the buyer to risk that a part may work on his lathe if it is not a Hightower lathe. No try it, and return it if it does not work. That may be the only practical way Chris can compete.
 
olsonsview said:
Someone builds a better product, and others will copy it and try to get in the market. Chris' lathe is commendable and deserves praise. How can you fight others copying it? By providing superior service is one way. Chris already does that. One also can create innovations to make their product better, if not, others will.
It is unrealistic to figure that a market will remain closed for too long. I have a Hightower product and like the quality and will support Chris by buying my supplies from him, but I am also looking at CNC in the future. I hope Chris will be there to provide that next step for me! I am sure if he produces one, it will be practical and reliable as all his products are. When we buy a Hightower product, we assume the quality is built in. If we buy one used, we trust in the name. How many would look at the clone and wonder if it is even half as good? I prefer to buy the name brand myself. A few bucks extra buys a peace of mind that is priceless.
If the clone buyer wants parts from Chris, he should be sold them, but not offered any advice as to what will work with his clone! No lengthy time spent with a buyer about dimensions and such, hey it fits a deluxe, enough said! It is on the buyer to risk that a part may work on his lathe if it is not a Hightower lathe. No try it, and return it if it does not work. That may be the only practical way Chris can compete.

Tap! Tap! Tap!
 
bubsbug said:
What do most people think of this as a repair lathe. At $200 it would be impossible to pass it up.

except for the part that the spindle bore<hole thru the headstock>
is only 3/8 inch

plus

no motor
no pulleys
no belt
no tailstock<bad for doing ferrules>

Dale<who considers reading to be an important skill>
 
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Parts are available For this Taig Like Cuesmith

desi2960 said:
when something breaks on this homemade lathe, where are you going to get parts?

Hightower is MADE BY tAIG! it' NO SECRET

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Parts are available For this Taig - Like Cuesmith

desi2960 said:
when something breaks on this homemade lathe, where are you going to get parts?

This lathe is nothing more than a taig bought directly from taig for $189
Go to the site and see for yourself, and for the rest of it, is homemade. You can make the rest yourself.

This complete lathe, with the exception of the steady rest and the painted boards and maybe a few little homemade pieces, that anyone can make. came complete from Taig.com

The Cuesmith headstock is made by taig, with the exception, he has the exclusive rights to the larger bore headstock and taig will not sell it to you.
 
Hightower Lathes are made by Taig

bubsbug said:
What do most people think of this as a repair lathe. At $200 it would be impossible to pass it up. Put another $400 into it and it would be one of the best on the market.
http://www.cartertools.com/catalog.html

I have been doing a lot of reserch on cue building equiptment. Even on this form if you go back to 2003, 2004 will will see how a lot of cuemakers exchanged ideas on how to build cue equiptment. If you look at some of the machines on the market long and hard enough you can lell where they got the idea. It like making pool sticks I suppose. Same idea just slightly difference appearence.
My question is this. Is this stealing Hightowers lathe or did Hightower get this idea from Taig. I dont know, but what difference does it make? The real broblem that I see is this. I think that this form is mostly made up of members who do this as a living. This is there bread and butter. This is how they survive. Now, hobbiest come a long and flood the market, begin making there own products and the professionals (well say) take a major it. So how do both sides get along. I think that in the next 10 years its only going to get harder for the professionals. I recently started working with aluminum and found out how easy aluminum is to work with. Im currently building a machine to tips and ferrules only using a slab mill blade and a 9"sanding disk. Much faster, more accurate and absolutely the best tool for doing bar cues. instead of a lathe turning, I just turn my cue.


Hightower lathes are all made by Taig.

The only thing he has that you can't get is the larger headstock, which he has an exclusive right agreement with Taig.
Call Taig they'll tell you
 
Homer....How many posts do you need to tell us that Chris uses an outside source for parts for his lathe? I am not being mean but C'mon , what do you have against Chris that makes you so adament to post that many times, against him?

How many companies in this country do you actually believe that DONT outsource , for parts and supplies? Chris makes his living by taking parts made from someone else and puts his knowledge, experience , and FIRST CLASS product support and customer service, to give his customers the Most enjoyable and stress free experience Possible when Buying a lathe. Sounds like Buisness 101 to me. Chris is a very savy buisness man, and knows how to balance making a living with, helping his customers make a living.....I dont care who makes his parts. I buy from Chris because he puts his name behind it, and to me that is worth what he charges.....When your lathe goes down or gets off, how much is that phone call to Chris worth then? He is always available to his customers....not many can say that?

Even while his wife was sick, he was still in the office for support and sales, so his customers wouldnt have to do without either.

Buy a taig, and build it yourself, and then Buy a hightower , and see which experience is more fun.

Like I said I am not being a smart alleck , or being mean, but My goodness, leave the man to his buisness....either buy or dont, but dont run around acting like buying the same parts will give you the same lathe or support with the finished product.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: That is just ridiculous IMHO :)
 
homer said:
Hightower lathes are all made by Taig.

The only thing he has that you can't get is the larger headstock, which he has an exclusive right agreement with Taig.
Call Taig they'll tell you

The one they are showing does not appear to have the motor or foot pedal.
 
Well, I just posted a lengthy reply and it did not post right. So, get out the reading glasses and get comfortable. First, I modified a taig. Taigs are one of the most heavily modified mini lathes on the market. I have never encountered a group that was so negative about this. I do not see the metal workers complaining about ripping off eachothers decisions to add a lead screm to the thing. A longer bed is a very commonly sought after part. It may surprise people, but I have had just as many non pool people wanting this item as I have pool people. There are metal workers, hobbiest, fly fishing rod builders, etc... who would like one. At one time, I wanted a lathe to do simple work. I was not willing to spend thousands of dollars on a taig with a longer bed. Since it seemed like a simple construction, I decided to just build it. That is when I found out how hard it can be to make that bed. I spent a few years (slowly of course) jumping around from shop to shop. Now I have a friend who has finally gotten it right for a good price. It is still NOT the quality of Chris's bed. That bed is made by taig for Chris. That means that he is selling a bed made by taig for a taig product. It just so happens that taig has a few years of experience with taig products. I can't beat that. If anyone can talk taig or Chris into selling that bed for a reasonable cost, say $200, then I will gladly stop bothering my buddy at the shop to produce tighter and tighter tolerances. I am a genetics major in college right now and really do not need the extra workload anyways. For the ones who think that I have the ill intentions of getting rich off of someone else work, get real. As Homer said, anyone can buy a taig for $189 plus tax and shipping. So take that $200 and add in a tailstock, jacobs chuck, 3 jaw chuck, motor mount, mounting plate, pulley set, belt, dayton motor, tool posts, tool bits, radius turner, foot speed controller, steady rests, large and small bearings for the two steady rests, rack, gear, shaft, and screws. Then buy your high qualty steel, steel square, flat stock for feet, paint, bits, taps, and more screws. Next have a metals shop cut and grind on the bed. Finally, do some fabrication, paint, and assemble and tahdah all done. Of course you will have just spent nearly $700 wholesale. Since I sold this for $750, and only planned to sell it for $775-$800, I am hardly ripping anyone off even if it is not as good as a cuesmith. Again, as for the idea, it was there before the cuesmith and will be there after the cuesmith. When a new kid builds cues out of commonly used blanks, do those of you who also use that blank jump on him for stealing YOUR design? Did the auto industry jump on Suzuki for making cars since it has already been done? How about this, as Chris said, maybe he will have to make his lathes even better. Competition drives improvements in the market. We may now see an evolution in Hightower's products to an even higher level. Maybe he will decide (I hope Chris is reading) to market the mid-sized, with some down-grades of course, for say $850. I think this reduction may show him an increase in future revenue. Like most people who started playing with their camel joe cue, if the bug bites hard enough, they will want to upgrade very soon (and then again, and again, and again....). I have no ill intent towards Chris or his business. I usually always recommend him as one of the top three places to get lathe supplies, upgrades for the taig lathe, cue supplies, and informative materials. As for all of you who are ranting on and on about customer service, your right about Chris. He is very helpful and will work with you. This does not mean that I am the local con. I work very hard to help out anyone whom I work with. Chris will ultimately be around longer than me though (like I said, genetics major). As for parts, most of the cuesmith parts and taig parts can be purchased at any hobby lobby. As for the rest, I highly doubt that Chris will be turning people down for parts because they did not buy their original taig from him. He is not only nice, but also surely able to realize that a customer is a customer. So, if everyone could stop being so negative about everything all of the time, maybe you could finish this thread by talking about some of the positives surrounding all of the attempts to widen the cue machinery market. Even if they are not up to the high standards that many people have, many of these machines are just fine for the ones of us who want to do cue work with no desires of grandure. In my room, I put tips on for $1 plus the tips wholesale cost just to promote the game (maybe that is why I couldn't afford an expensive lathe). Any one else have a story about why they have or had a lathe without the intentions of making a boat load of money. Maybe you just liked the hobby. I'm done now, my fingers are bleeding a bit. Lets try to hear a little less negative outlashing and at the very least, a little mature (possibly positive) debate. Again, I mean no disrespect towards you, Chris, and I wish you a very prosperous business.
 
Bed cost

sang4201 said:
If anyone can talk taig or Chris into selling that bed for a reasonable cost, say $200, then I will gladly stop bothering my buddy at the shop to produce tighter and tighter tolerances.

Did you call him about this? I believe it's actually $250. The 6' bed is $350, and he sells a 92 inch bed for $500. I was attempting to find his posts regarding this, but I can't seem to, other than the 92 inch bed. I believe that the prices are correct.
 
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