Replace OB With CB
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Scott Lee said:Tommy-D...Bert was not the first person to note the "importance" of the replacement shot. He was just the first to try to capitalize on it, with a video for sale!That shot's been around for a hundred years, and any good player knows about it. The level of it's importance is what's debatable. I have to agree with Bob Jewett, that it's just another shot in your arsenal, along with rolling up 2-3 balls, and backing up 2-3 balls. All of this is still based on the stopshot as the foundation...which IS the most important shot! njmo
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we all know that rolling in a strait in ball is probably the most accurate way to get precise position say 3 or 4 feet from where the ob is. so, and this is where the difference comes in with the one or two balls forward, on most shots the ob is not close enough to the pocket to roll the ball in and go forward only one ball. so, in short, going slightly forward is important to be able to execute because unless the ob is very close to a pocket, you can't achieve this position rolling the ball (the most natural way). it kinda replaces the ubiquitous roll shot in a way. it's no more, or less, important than rolling or stopping... but it is executed so much differently, which is pretty much the only reason why i think it's so important..... that is, you will need it and the number of people that have it is relatively low.... thus its emphasis. i wouldn't need to emphasize a stop shot, everyone can do it. one or so balls forward does need emphasis because i see people stop the ball when they should be doing a little more with the cb. i see this all the time actually.
to argue the shot's frequency is perhaps moot and i will take the blame for that one. that is less important imo, because, as i've stated... just because a shot comes up infrequently doesn't mean it's not very important (eg length of the table draw).
as astutely noted by somebody else, in one pocket the shot is unfathomably important because when shooting a ball frozen to the rail if you execute this shot properly, you can freeze the guy to the rail and at the same time remove a ball from a guys hole. further, in one hole you need to move the ob AND the cb to precise locations many times, and this stroke (and ones like it) are the only way you can achieve those results.
enzo said:
"we all know that rolling in a strait in ball is probably the most accurate way to get precise position say 3 or 4 feet from where the ob is. "
I fully agree. Rolling the ball in often works better than, say, hopping it in by jumping the cb and inch or so...or for example, slamming a bank shot so hard that the ob flies in. Yep...rolling it in is definately the move. (-:
"on most shots the ob is not close enough to the pocket to roll the ball in and go forward only one ball. so, in short, going slightly forward is important to be able to execute because unless the ob is very close to a pocket, you can't achieve this position rolling the ball"
Most shots are not stright in so the replacement shot isn't possible unless you have invented the "stun masse boomerang" shot.
In addition, from center table, the cb can be managed to very nearly 2.25 inches of roll with SPEED alone and a center ball hit..unless your table is covered with astroturf.
"one or so balls forward does need emphasis because i see people stop the ball when they should be doing a little more with the cb. i see this all the time actually."
"to argue the shot's frequency is perhaps moot and i will take the blame for that one. that is less important imo, because, as i've stated... just because a shot comes up infrequently doesn't mean it's not very important (eg length of the table draw). "
enzo now tries to set the world land speed record...IN REVERSE...by backing off his bankrupt statement that the exact replacement shot comes up frequently. LOL
The exact replacement shot IS A DRILL and its primary benefits are to calibrate a default stroke speed (addressing the fact that a huge majority fo amateur players routinely shoot too hard) and to test the shooter's ability to deliver the tip to its exact intended spot...without which, the replacement will not take place.
It also is the first step in developing a stun run through shot that is a very valuable tool but DOES NOT require a stright in shot as the exact replacement obviously does.
If my post refuting the frequency of the shot was, in enzo's opinion, the worst post in the history of this board, given that he has now ADMITTED that he was wrong about the frequency, what does that make HIS post???
ROFLMAO
Doc, what's your point? I haven't had a disagreement with you to my knowledge. Why do you think you need to explain your motives to me?klockdoc said:Quoted from Bob Jewett's article
Now if you step back and take a deep breath, you will see that all I did was try to minimize all the bantering that was going on in this thread that you were a part of. (oh, ended my statement in a preposition..) I was not way trying to degrade you or to make you look incorrect in your projections and theories.
I wasn't trying to contradict anything you said. In fact, my statement probably benefited your case with the discussion of rolling versus rotation meaning.
If you think that people are against you, it is because of your insistent antagonizing and so-called "better than you " attitude that you display and portray in your messages.
There, at least my thoughts aren't hidden in my statements
Like I said earlier, grow up and act like an adult, even if you aren't one yet. If you don't like what I say, put me on ignore. I will do the same for you. You do not have anything to say that I would need to know.
Even if I had disagreed with you, it would have been about something pool-related. Let's talk about that.
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