Replace OB With CB
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JE54 said:
Unfortunately, there is no "best way" to get the cueball to replace the exact same space the object ball was in. Basically, you're asking how do you get the cueball to roll exactly 2 1/2" (or however big the cueball is) afterward. It's a centerball hit, usually firm. It's going to require quite a bit of touch, lots of knowledge of the cloth and quite a bit of practice. You're better off learning how to utilize stop shots.
Hit with a firm stroke and either at the center of the cue ball or slightly below the center depending on how far you are from the object ball. It is possible to play this shot with soft draw, but I find it much harder to control the amount of run-through that way.JE54 said:
But don't limit yourself to replacement. Of course the pure stop shot is essential, but you also need to be able to go forward two balls and come back one or two. Make sure you also practice those. Here is an article about practicing those shots: http://www.onthebreaknews.com/October07-07.htm
This can be difficult to do, but sometimes very much needed to get position. It just takes practice. Like Jude said, center ball hit and just the right stroke. It's very difficult on long shots though. There's a Kinister tape that goes over this shot, but forget which one. It's what inspired me to practice this shot.
Good luck
Matt
Good luck
Matt
Dead level stroke.
Bert Kinnister's shot number one is what you are referring to.
Bert Kinnister's shot number one is what you are referring to.
Jude Rosenstock said:
I agree with Jude that it's a fairly difficult touch shot that requires being very familiar with the friction of the cloth on that table at that moment. Also, how you shoot this shot depends on how far from the OB you are. If you're 6 feet from the OB, there's pretty much no way to do it. If you're 6 inches from the OB, a center-ball hit with good speed control will do it (takes practice). If you're 2 feet from the OB, it's still center ball or just a hair below, and much firmer. So if you want to learn the shot, set it up and practice it for a while, because we can't describe one technique that will reliably do it.
-Andrew
I mean, to be able to do this on demand is pro caliber. You might as well start a thread titled, "Advice needed on never missing ever again."
Use the old man's professional aiming system?Jude Rosenstock said:
ultimately it's just a firm stroke shot hit slightly above centre. the exact degree above centre dictates how far forward the cue ball will go.
like bob jewett said, practice putting the cue ball say one ball further down, and then say two cueballs distance as well. the key is to hit the shot hard and letting the stun carry the ball through. because of course usually you cna get the same result just rolling the ball in and letting the cue ball roll forward slowly, but that's not what you are after.
and i've seen bert's tape joey mentions. it's this exact shot and he demonstrates it and explains it well.
like bob jewett said, practice putting the cue ball say one ball further down, and then say two cueballs distance as well. the key is to hit the shot hard and letting the stun carry the ball through. because of course usually you cna get the same result just rolling the ball in and letting the cue ball roll forward slowly, but that's not what you are after.
and i've seen bert's tape joey mentions. it's this exact shot and he demonstrates it and explains it well.
You should probably ignore all the advice about where to hit the CB because that's heavily dependent on the length of the shot. I think the best way to calibrate this for shots of different distances is to aim a stop shot at an imaginary ball a few inches in front of (closer to the CB than) the actual OB so that the CB will pick up just a little roll as it travels the remaining inches to the actual OB. That's not as easy to do as I make it sound, but if you can it works for any distance that you can shoot a stop shot.
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Jude Rosenstock said:
Unless you mean achieving EXACTLY 2.25 inches of run through it really it's not a pro level shot IF you practice it. It is a Kinister drill as others have pointed out but Andrew is correct that the cb/ob distance determines how to cue the shot.
The key is to produce SLIGHT forward roll at ob impact...so center ball (plus speed) works from closer distances but draw is required for longer distances.
But the Kinister drill places the OB 1 diamond above the side pocket and the CB 1 diamond below. He suggested a dead level center ball stroke but that was on a 7 foot table and there is no way that will work on a 9 ft. table unless you put a LOT of pace on the shot...which was not Kinister's intention for the drill. He says in presenting it that we ALL shoot too hard and the drill trains for what our "default" pace should be.
But again, with practice, most decent players should be able to achieve the one ball run through...with maybe a 1/2 inch tolerance about 80% of the time.
So, I guess I have to agree with you that EXACT 1 ball run through would be a pro level shot...except that I don't think may pros could do it 100% of the time.
But I like the drill A LOT and start most of my practice sessions with it because getting the feel of the default pace is key...I think...to getting in stroke over all.
Regards,
Jim
It's really half a ball's rotation. But, who cares?av84fun said:
I appreciate all the input. It really turned out to be an intereting subject.
Stopping wasn't any problem it was getting the additional distance and I had seen the you tube with Bert. And he says you should know how to do it. But he dosen't say how. From the explanations I'm seeing, he tells you how on his tape.
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Stopping wasn't any problem it was getting the additional distance and I had seen the you tube with Bert. And he says you should know how to do it. But he dosen't say how. From the explanations I'm seeing, he tells you how on his tape.
Thanks
He doesn't.JE54 said:
From doing it, I can only do it when I exaggerate the elbow drop.
A crime to some people.
Also in the video, Bert does it on a barbox.
You can see how long his follow is b/c he drops that elbow down.
And how to get back a ball and how to get forward 2 balls, etc. Replacement is only the bare start of what you have to be able to do to play well. As for how, eventually your arm will know how, and you won't have to think about it. Also, while the "firmly with near-center" will work for most situations, if you have a slight cut shot, and you want to take the cue ball forward or back a little bit at a specific angle, you will need a much wider range of techniques.JE54 said:
A little less than a third, but who's counting?
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JE54 said:
Bob Jewett, as usual, has given you some very good advice.
The specific shot you asked about requires a technique
the Brits call 'stun run thru'.
If you are not already familiar with the stun stroke, you should become
so ASAP. Few things can improve your overall play as much.
Google both terms for instructions on one of the many Snooker sites.
Also, be sure to check out Bob's SF accademy site - tons of good stuff.
Dale<who experienced stunning improvement> - no apoligies
Guess you need to count again. You're confusing the diameter and the circumference. The diameter is a little less than one third of the circumference.
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