Reracking

rottenrod

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I guess that's the rule but I don't see why. I could see not specifying the rack could be used, but forbidding it?
My buddy's opinion was that since a shot has already been taken, the rack has been accepted as-is and should not be touched in a subsequent inning.

My thought is that it may be a matter of consistency. In the case where the 15th ball needs to be spotted, but the cue ball interferes with the rack, you would not be able to use the rack so they prohibit its use in all cases. I have never seen this come up in play, and in practice we do use the rack when spotting the 15th ball where the 14 ball rack has not been touched.
 

Bob Jewett

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This question came up tonight when playing our regular Saturday evening 14.1 match with a friend. It seems the CSI rules for 14.1 do not allow the use of a rack when spotting the 15th ball.
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The WPA rules take the approach that if the rack is screwed up by bad placement, it is OK to fix it if it hasn't been contacted.

In theory there is an outline and the rack has been placed exactly according to the outline. In practice that doesn't happen for several reasons.

Example: The cloth is worn and has craters from the nine ball players so to get a tight rack the racker moved the 14-ball rack forward a little. Now the rack interferes with a 15th ball being spotted so that ball must be placed behind the rack according to one interpretation of the CSI rules.

It is reasonable to say as in the CSI rules that the rack has been accepted and will not be touched again. That is one way to write the rules. It is not the way the WSR are written.

So far as I know, most (all?) 14.1 tournaments are now governed by the WPA/WSR rule set. The last event governed by the CSI rules was the post-2006 US Open 14.1 tournaments but those are no longer being held.
 
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Dan White

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Since contacting the wing ball is pretty much universal on an opening break (or after 3 fouls) that proscribed order is justified.
Not to be a nit, but I think you mean "prescribed." Ironically, using "proscribed" would have the opposite effect.
 

DynoDan

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Not to be a nit, but I think you mean "prescribed." Ironically, using "proscribed" would have the opposite effect.
Blame ‘spellcheck’ (I should likely be more attentive to editing before I post). While it CAN be advantageous to not have to type out every word, still, I hate it when computer programs try to read your mind.
Just like how calculators have turned us all into basic-math idiots, and email/texting have made everyone‘s script handwriting illegible, soon no one will remember how to spell either.
 

Dan White

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Blame ‘spellcheck’ (I should likely be more attentive to editing before I post). While it CAN be advantageous to not have to type out every word, still, I hate it when computer programs try to read your mind.
Just like how calculators have turned us all into basic-math idiots, and email/texting have made everyone‘s script handwriting illegible, soon no one will remember how to spell either.
GPS is making us idiots, too.
 

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... Just like how calculators have turned us all into basic-math idiots, and email/texting have made everyone‘s script handwriting illegible, soon no one will remember how to spell either.
I bought a coffee in a campus café. The student clerk couldn't deal with my $5 bill for a $3.15 cost and called the supervisor over to work the register. After a little attitude -- why do you bother us with real money? -- I got a receipt and change from the supervisor. It said I had given them $20 and I got back $3.85 in change. At that point I didn't want to bother them further.

As for handwriting, mine has always been illegible.
 

Dan White

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I bought a coffee in a campus café. The student clerk couldn't deal with my $5 bill for a $3.15 cost and called the supervisor over to work the register. After a little attitude -- why do you bother us with real money? -- I got a receipt and change from the supervisor. It said I had given them $20 and I got back $3.85 in change. At that point I didn't want to bother them further.

As for handwriting, mine has always been illegible.
You should have asked him to break a $5 with two $10's.
 

Bob Jewett

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You should have asked him to break a $5 with two $10's.
Which reminds me of a cab ride in Las Vegas. It was a while ago and the total came to $7.50. I paid with a 20 figuring to give him a $1.50 tip. The cabbie put my 20 in his roll, got out a 10 and put it on the seat and then started fumbling for the coins and ones. Then he said, "$7.50 out of 10," sort of pointing at the 10 on the seat. I corrected him, figured this was an interesting technique, and didn't give him a tip.

I was more recently short-changed by a coffee clerk at an airport but I was sleepy and not completely certain so I failed to press the issue.

You win some, you lose some and sometimes you break even.
 

Dan White

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Which reminds me of a cab ride in Las Vegas. It was a while ago and the total came to $7.50. I paid with a 20 figuring to give him a $1.50 tip. The cabbie put my 20 in his roll, got out a 10 and put it on the seat and then started fumbling for the coins and ones. Then he said, "$7.50 out of 10," sort of pointing at the 10 on the seat. I corrected him, figured this was an interesting technique, and didn't give him a tip.

I was more recently short-changed by a coffee clerk at an airport but I was sleepy and not completely certain so I failed to press the issue.

You win some, you lose some and sometimes you break even.
How true that is. Nice guy...

My change story is this: A teen comes into a business I had around 1999 and asks if I can give him a $20 bill for two rolls of quarters. I said sure and we made the exchange. Two minutes later I realize that was pretty stupid and I better open the paper rolls to be sure there are really quarters there. I open them up and find they are all SILVER quarters! Spot price for 16 oz of silver right now is $384.

I definitely won on that day!
 

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How true that is. Nice guy...

My change story is this: A teen comes into a business I had around 1999 and asks if I can give him a $20 bill for two rolls of quarters. I said sure and we made the exchange. Two minutes later I realize that was pretty stupid and I better open the paper rolls to be sure there are really quarters there. I open them up and find they are all SILVER quarters! Spot price for 16 oz of silver right now is $384.

I definitely won on that day!
And his dad lost.
 

DynoDan

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How true that is. Nice guy...

My change story is this: A teen comes into a business I had around 1999 and asks if I can give him a $20 bill for two rolls of quarters. I said sure and we made the exchange. Two minutes later I realize that was pretty stupid and I better open the paper rolls to be sure there are really quarters there. I open them up and find they are all SILVER quarters! Spot price for 16 oz of silver right now is $384.

I definitely won on that day!
Flip Side: When I was a pre-teen pinball addict, I raided my father’s coin collection and took a matching pair of mint 1853 quarters to school for ‘show & tell’. Later that day, while playing a poolhall PB machine, I reached in my pocket and accidentally deposited one. I was so enraged/blinded by my stupidity, I then shoved the mate in behind it! (go figure).
I definitely lost on that day. I was so young/dumb, it never occurred that the room owner might have a key and maybe consent to retrieving them.
 
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DynoDan

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GPS is making us idiots, too.
It hasn’t sent me over a cliff yet, but lucky I can still read a map when my NAV system directs me to the wrong place.
Also, while ‘google’ is certainly convenient when you need to know something, the younger gen. who have never been to the library are SOL when there’s no cell service (anyone remember the ‘Dewey Decimal System’?).
 
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