Misappropriation of Rx meds is a big prob!!
Retaining Ability from Performance Enhancing Drugs
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Yes I still do that. 200 cyp or eth a week for 12 weeks on and 12-15 off. I started shooting test in 94. A couple times I took a few years off.200 weekly here. Cypionate. Keeps the plumbing functional. Plus my ponytail is a bitch to comb thru.
Test is a hell if a drug. If you know, ya know
Fatboy<——-still loves milk & yoga
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Live outside America for a year or 2 and it really becomes CLEAR how bad the drugs have destroyed so many ppl.
huge problem.
Live outside America for a year or 2 and it really becomes CLEAR how bad the drugs have destroyed so many ppl.
Thing is that accomplishments mean little if they are obtained by cheating or using a crutch. Everything worth remembering that I have accomplished was accomplished on the nach without cheating. I have been known to cheat when I was fighting fire with fire but I just consider it funny. The flagman at a local track was dropping the green flag as long as the first four cars were in place. The race further back started almost half a lap before the green. At first if I was in the outside lane I just drifted out to block the cheaters passing. Then I decided to join them. My highlight was passing thirteen cars one night, before the green flag was thrown! I claim that as a record.(grin) My intent was to force change in the flagman's behavior so it wasn't only for my gain although I certainly didn't give back places I stole.
Feed kids speed from the time they are five or six years old then wonder why we have a meth problem! My girl is highly intelligent. Bored in class and a chatterbox as many seven year olds are, she got in trouble for talking in class. I was told I had to put her on Adderall before she could come back to class. They said it was no big deal, twenty-seven out of forty, yeah forty, students in her class were on Adderall. I explained to the principal that my children would not be getting on Adderall and I was going to the local TV station and state capital's news media of all sorts if they gave me any crap. They rolled over. Much to my regret I was running three or four businesses including an around the clock business and didn't take the time to stand up for other children. I still sizzle thinking about it!
I had no idea the classes were that overcrowded. The teachers didn't try to teach, they just presided over roomfuls of zombies. 3/4 of the kids at that fairly large public elementary school were on school demanded drugs.
Hu
No question! Never bought into the notion “you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” The accomplishment is worthless if one needs to cheat.
I guess what I was saying is that nothing we can do will prevent human fallibility. It is inherent. So chasing a fleeting moment because of some artificial feeling is only making one worse not better. To me, being human and overcoming ones self in the moment has much more staying power, as it was me, and not a “little helper” doing the work.
Sad but true. Teachers don't want to discipline kids anymore than many parents do. They medicate them into submission.
I just saw him this past weekend at a tourney outside St. Louis. He looked good. Played well. And sober.
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I 100% agree with the other answers. If you train perfecting your pre-shot routine, and work on natural increase in mental and physical focus you will be much better off. You will have developed the increase in skill and focus for real. Drugs are very easy to become dependent on and you have the ability already in you. I started meditating 5 minutes a day then naturally progressed to 10 minutes then 15 and 20 and now 30 minutes. (Netflix "headspace" is great to start out). I practiced doing pool drills for 20 and 30 minutes then 45. Then 60 minutes and took a 15 minute break. Now I can focus on my practice routine for 2 hours easily per session and 5 sessions per week. I can even do an extra hour or two if i have time.
The key is to have dozens of drills to do. And to do them for only 5 or 10 minutes per drill. I set a timer on my phone. Then do another 10 minute drill and another and another. 1 hour goes by fast and you keep your focus. I repeat the drills but I have maybe more than 50 different drills in a 3 ring binder. I have 3 warm up drills I do every session. Then I rotate through the other 50 drills.
Don't worry about "progress" it simply happens. After 3 or so sessions you will see improvement. After a dozen sessions others will notice too.
The key is to have dozens of drills to do. And to do them for only 5 or 10 minutes per drill. I set a timer on my phone. Then do another 10 minute drill and another and another. 1 hour goes by fast and you keep your focus. I repeat the drills but I have maybe more than 50 different drills in a 3 ring binder. I have 3 warm up drills I do every session. Then I rotate through the other 50 drills.
Don't worry about "progress" it simply happens. After 3 or so sessions you will see improvement. After a dozen sessions others will notice too.
One night a few of the older guys in my weekly pistol league go to talking about their meds. Older guys, 70s and older, and they all said that when they first started taking the beta blockers, their scores got better. They say that those little tremors just went away for a while. I'm guessing that it doesn't last though, since they really haven't upped their averages long term.
I also found out that a couple of the guys that I used to shoot with would make a quick run to their car right before our relay got called to the line, and they'd down a beer quickly. Apparently this was quite common, and everyone referred to them as "group tighteners". Despite the current stance that alcohol and firearms don't mix, that wasn't such a big deal 50+ years ago.
I was younger than those guys but with a handful of health issues when I was shooting pistols. Speed and accuracy both counted. Beta blockers hurt reflexes. Their effectiveness for much of what they are used to treat is questionable too, my reasoning for telling my doctor I didn't want to take them.
I later shot benchrest rifle. It would seem the med's wouldn't be as much of a handicap there but you still need to be sharply alert. I have never found drugs or alcohol to be an advantage and wouldn't have used them if they were. I set four local records shooting against IPSC masters and grand masters among others. At that I wasn't the best shooter there. One thing I am proud of, after fifteen years of people trying, I shot the first perfect score in local matches. Jerry Miculek cut his teeth in those competitions and his brother Donny was still the class of the field when I was shooting. I wasn't the best shooter, I might have been the best competitor.
I knew a few people that tried to take advantage of their medications to gain competitive advantage. None were better than midpack at best. I fooled with race horses years ago and I compare human competitors to them. When you had a horse at it's peak training, doping was a waste of time. Doping was just a shortcut for half assed training and crippled horses trying to make them run faster than they were fit to run. I did study human conditioning since there wasn't much available for horses. I caught lightning in a bottle using interval training.
The good ol' days when times were rotten. I drank shooting pool because I liked to drink. I shot different styles sober or drinking fairly heavily. After considering it I decided my best would be shooting the straight pool style I shot drunk while I was sober. I took down some good players like that in gambling matches which I have always considered a better test than tournaments with their structured formats. You play until one player has had enough. Tournaments are a test of skill but the short races give a bigger margin of luck than a long drawn out battle. You play one person six hours or longer, hard to argue who is best for at least that session. I played thirty-six hours or longer a handful of times on the nach. I started hoping the other guy finished his run so I didn't have to stand up for a few minutes!(grin)
Hu
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Seems like almost any type of narcotic or substance use in this arena would adversely affect shooting performance.
Anything elevating heart rate or affecting vision, muscle coordination, etc... could dictate lower scores imo. I want to be in complete control of all my faculties when shooting. Firearms, that is.
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Talking pool, I played about 48 hours a couple times. One man I played forty-eight hours only to break roughly even. We agreed to meet again a week later and do it again. Twelve hours in we were dead even. We quit, never to play each other again! I was younger and fitter but that was a tough son of a gun. The room owner made more than either of us!
Pistol competition is a younger person's game for the most part although some shoot competitively well into their sixties or older. Benchrest is an older person's game with few shooters still of age to have children at home and most are retired. Many are on pills for medical conditions. However, strict rules keeping the bolts out of rifles until on the bags at the firing line mostly keep things safe. A working rifle not on the bags is a DQ and you have to leave the venue. With typical seven minute firing sessions you have time to shoot. Seems like a lot of time but I always shot better with ten minute sessions. I can recall a few people badly injured from gun malfunctions and one fatality. The line had been quiet for a few minutes and the man forgot it was still hot. With the 36X or stronger scopes field of view is tiny. When he stepped in front of the firing line and started walking parallel to it somebody never saw him and he was shot in the neck at less than ten feet. The super thin skinned benchrest bullet was explosive at that range.
Hu
I learned and played w several guys who were scary good when the 'mix' was right. Scary bad when not. If they had sense enuf to quit while up, that would've been fine, but to a man, they'd overplay their mix and wind up losing their ass!! Having to play on the downslope got them every time. How often does that have to happen B4 you wake up?? Most never did.
They either kept playing on the downslope or I would win a few games anyway and they would decide they needed a tune up. I have seen some very impressive play when they were "right" but holding right was almost impossible. I never had it happen to me in sessions lasting longer than a few hours. Then I had my fun. With today's ethics it might have been wrong but they saw nothing wrong with chemical warfare, why should I see it as wrong when it beat them?
Damn straight. I hate to admit it, but we would Wait em out. When you could see the shift in their game, pounce, if at all possible.
I knew one player, a good friend and mentor, who would give up the mortal nuts just to keep playing.
Loved the game.
Loved the gamble.
He played so well most times that he couldn't get a game unless he gave up weight. Nobody would play him even.
Well, almost nobody.
Job for the rifleman.
That is because EVERYTHING has side effects, which includes approved medication. It's just that when you are sick, the pros outweigh the cons. But if you are healthy, that is very rarely the case, especially long term.
If you drive your car like it was a race car with the needles in the red, all the time and breaking hard and late in every corner, what happens? Disregarding speeding tickets and possible accidents, your cars important parts wear down faster. Speeding up the metabolism, or messing with the neurotransmitters in your brain will not be healthy over time. There are no magic tricks, the body is amazing as it it is.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Very true but some people's bodies have a bent axle and missing a few teeth in the transmission. Better living through modern chemistry.
I avoid all medications like the plague, unless it's something absolutely needed. You know the rare side effect 15 pages in? Yeah, that's the one that hits me like a brick most times.
But it's not just medicine. Food is the same way. If you're out cutting fence posts from sunup to sundown you can eat a lumberjack breakfast. If you're sedentary it's gonna cause problems. If you eat too many brazil nuts you get poisoned. There are side effects to everything, you can even die by drinking too much water.
I agree that living on the nach is the way to be, but without making excuses, sometimes the human body can be crap, needing some type of supplement. In the old days before medical knowledge you just died, now you live long enough you may need some kind of medicine. Couple that with modern nutrition or lack there of and it's a recipe for trouble.
The stuff you NEED vs the stuff you WANT. Of course, one should use the stuff they need, it’s confusing the 2 where the problem lies. Making excuses is easy…