I was going to ask about chalk.
share what you're using?
share what you're using?
REVO Black Marks on rails. Wonder why?
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Russian Magic chalk for me when I practice and Master when someone comes over. This could be part of the test.
You just mentioned another possible variable: "when company comes over". Do they bring their own cues?
Yes, they bring their own. I make these marks with my REVO at my teacher's house on his table. Just wondering if anyone else does this? I just made another one with Russian chalk. So, it's not chalk.
It's definitely from the Revo shaft. Period. End of discussion.
I have the same thing on my cloth. It's not the table finish. Just make sure you wipe the revo down really good when you first get it. Unfortunately, or fortunately I sold my revo when prices were ridiculously high due to shortages. I'm just not sure if the shaft continues to dirty the cloth after you wipe it down or not.
I have a friend that also has a revo. He didn't notice his cloth getting dirty. So I'm not sure if he wiped his down, or perhaps its not every revo shaft that does this. I'll also add to this. When the cue ball is near the rail I rest my shaft on the rail cloth. My friend does not. I never see my hands get dirty from the revo.
I have the same thing on my cloth. It's not the table finish. Just make sure you wipe the revo down really good when you first get it. Unfortunately, or fortunately I sold my revo when prices were ridiculously high due to shortages. I'm just not sure if the shaft continues to dirty the cloth after you wipe it down or not.
I have a friend that also has a revo. He didn't notice his cloth getting dirty. So I'm not sure if he wiped his down, or perhaps its not every revo shaft that does this. I'll also add to this. When the cue ball is near the rail I rest my shaft on the rail cloth. My friend does not. I never see my hands get dirty from the revo.
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This is common with every carbon fiber "composite" shaft on the market.
It is more prevalent with Simonis cloth as the weave can be quite abrasive.
This more prevalent with players that shoot on (use) the rail while cueing.
This is a combination of the CF as well as anything being transferred (oil, chalk, etc).
This is also the case with anyone that waxes their wood shafts, the wax will also transfer.
What I do not understand is those that contend that this doesn't happen with their CF shaft.
I will simply assume it is very possible that they are not noticing it, do not have a home table for the repeatable break and drill areas, constant use,
simply do not cue using the rail or maybe a less abrasive cloth.
This is not a case of one of the CF composite shaft companies, it is all of them!
I even know players that can/will have a line across their shirt after hours of play.
For anyone that would like to dispute the topic, simply wipe the shaft down with one of your cleaning pads; you will notice the pad turn black.
Some of this is hand oils mixed with chalk and some is microscopic composite... now we are back to the abrasive nature of Simonis cloth weave.
The longevity is the single most underlining question pertaining to the CF composite shafts...
Personally, I have noticed the "transfer" has lessoned over time (I have been using one for over 2 years); however, after a couple days of play,
a cleaning wipe will still come out black... if it will transfer to the wipe, it can transfer to cloth, hands, clothes, etc....
I have been studying the different CF shafts as they have been released, including buying, testing, selling, modifying etc.
It is more prevalent with Simonis cloth as the weave can be quite abrasive.
This more prevalent with players that shoot on (use) the rail while cueing.
This is a combination of the CF as well as anything being transferred (oil, chalk, etc).
This is also the case with anyone that waxes their wood shafts, the wax will also transfer.
What I do not understand is those that contend that this doesn't happen with their CF shaft.
I will simply assume it is very possible that they are not noticing it, do not have a home table for the repeatable break and drill areas, constant use,
simply do not cue using the rail or maybe a less abrasive cloth.
This is not a case of one of the CF composite shaft companies, it is all of them!
I even know players that can/will have a line across their shirt after hours of play.
For anyone that would like to dispute the topic, simply wipe the shaft down with one of your cleaning pads; you will notice the pad turn black.
Some of this is hand oils mixed with chalk and some is microscopic composite... now we are back to the abrasive nature of Simonis cloth weave.
The longevity is the single most underlining question pertaining to the CF composite shafts...
Personally, I have noticed the "transfer" has lessoned over time (I have been using one for over 2 years); however, after a couple days of play,
a cleaning wipe will still come out black... if it will transfer to the wipe, it can transfer to cloth, hands, clothes, etc....
I have been studying the different CF shafts as they have been released, including buying, testing, selling, modifying etc.
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I wiped my revo down with a wet white cloth and it did leave a slight trace of grey. I believe that it has some residue that can be left.
As for my table, I haven't noticed anything at this point. I play probably an hour a day on my home table, and have had the revo for about 3 months now. I do bridge in such a way my cue runs along the rail frequently. I have Simonis cloth. And I frequently do drills such that I am shooting with a rail bridge in the same spot, shot after shot, for 30-60 minutes at a time.
I have noticed around the edge of the cushion that is near the wood of the rail a slight grey trace defining where the cushion is glued on. Maybe this was caused by the Revo. But I never noticed it until I went looking for it just now, and even still it is quite faint. I'm not sure if it can be cleaned up, or even whether this is different than my table was pre-Revo. It's certainly almost unnoticeable and certainly looks nothing like those pictures from our original poster.
So I'm not saying it doesn't happen to some degree, but it certainly isn't leaving a trail of black marks everywhere I shoot either.
Edited- After looking at the pictures and my table again I believe my grey outline is Revo related. It is very faint, and just one thin faint line around the top of my rail near the wood where the glue line is. It doesn't have dark smudges or flares of black. Just a light grey outline that I never noticed before and doesn't jump out at me.
Bca8ball-
I wiped my revo down with a wet white cloth and it did leave a slight trace of grey. I believe that it has some residue that can be left.
As for my table, I haven't noticed anything at this point. I play probably an hour a day on my home table, and have had the revo for about 3 months now. I do bridge in such a way my cue runs along the rail frequently. I have Simonis cloth. And I frequently do drills such that I am shooting with a rail bridge in the same spot, shot after shot, for 30-60 minutes at a time.
I have noticed around the edge of the cushion that is near the wood of the rail a slight grey trace defining where the cushion is glued on. Maybe this was caused by the Revo. But I never noticed it until I went looking for it just now, and even still it is quite faint. I'm not sure if it can be cleaned up, or even whether this is different than my table was pre-Revo. It's certainly almost unnoticeable and certainly looks nothing like those pictures from our original poster.
So I'm not saying it doesn't happen to some degree, but it certainly isn't leaving a trail of black marks everywhere I shoot either.
Edited- After looking at the pictures and my table again I believe my grey outline is Revo related. It is very faint, and just one thin faint line around the top of my rail near the wood where the glue line is. It doesn't have dark smudges or flares of black. Just a light grey outline that I never noticed before and doesn't jump out at me.
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Thanks for your response. People have assumed I'm crazy here but the evidence clearly shows what you've described. The picture I took was before I've cleaned it off after a year or so using the REVO. I have two shafts and they both do it. I've cleaned my Simonis cloth with Woolite mixture so it's not a big deal. People was thinking it was my rail finish but I also do this on my teacher's table which is an Olhausen with Simonis cloth. I have Russian chalk and Master chalk and that does not make a difference. After cleaning it this morning, I marked it again in a couple of places. I do use the cloth on the rails in my cue stick bridge hand when near the rail.
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I also noticed my molinari glove has a black residue after a couple months of Revo use that I’ve never had before. I’m going to be more diligent about wiping it down.
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A bit o sensitivty displayed, perhaps...but I don't see crazy.
We are just helping to diagnose.
We are just helping to diagnose.
I must say, I am with Blackballed on this one.
I don't believe anyone has said crazy, we're here to help.
You clearly demonstrated a problem and many seem to be in complete agreement with you, it's most likely the biggest eye opener on their products I have ever seen. I was the first one to question it but my concern has been to get the facts.
I would never question any ones rails except yours, you mentioned in a past post who redid your rails, I do recall the answer. What was the finish used? Do you even know? May not matter, you were right it seems about the Shafts.
NOW WHAT? That could be a very good thread.
Hi all, the root cause of this problem is due to the REVO not receiving proper cleaning. To effectively clean the REVO and prevent any type of residue from spreading, the shaft must be cleaned with 70-99% isopropyl alcohol on a wipe, paper towel or clean cloth and then air dried.
This process must be repeated until the shaft leaves no residue on the wipe, paper towel or cloth.
Once this process is performed correctly, there will be no issues of residue spreading to other surfaces like the rail or your shirt.
Additionally, please consider the angle of chalk application, because particles will trickle down the shaft and act as an abrasive on the shaft if applied incorrectly. The solution there, is just simply painting your chalk on the tip with the shaft at an angle. This will greatly reduce the need to clean the shaft repeatedly.
This process must be repeated until the shaft leaves no residue on the wipe, paper towel or cloth.
Once this process is performed correctly, there will be no issues of residue spreading to other surfaces like the rail or your shirt.
Additionally, please consider the angle of chalk application, because particles will trickle down the shaft and act as an abrasive on the shaft if applied incorrectly. The solution there, is just simply painting your chalk on the tip with the shaft at an angle. This will greatly reduce the need to clean the shaft repeatedly.
I had a Similar issue the first day I had revo.
I took 99% alchohol from Walmart, put it on paper towels and applied and removed the alcohol over and over until it stopped.
It took me about 10 minutes to do it.
I've played the revo for over a year now and it's not happened even once since then.
I did same thing to my revo Rush break cue.
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By doing so, my shafts did turn a "bit" lighter in color....
I took 99% alchohol from Walmart, put it on paper towels and applied and removed the alcohol over and over until it stopped.
It took me about 10 minutes to do it.
I've played the revo for over a year now and it's not happened even once since then.
I did same thing to my revo Rush break cue.
BTW:
By doing so, my shafts did turn a "bit" lighter in color....
Good stuff!
Would applying a ScotchGuard type protectant to the tops of your cushions help?
Also, you should start dragging your cue around the table like DAZ when applying chalk
Also, you should start dragging your cue around the table like DAZ when applying chalk
In the end, I have but one simple conclusion.
Revo has been shipped out over and over without being finished!
Why don't they clean before shipping?
Is anyone upset about the cloth on their tables?
Why did revo watch this thread and wait so long to respond?
I have gone from the desire to order two of them to forget that, my wife can screw up my table on her own.
Revo has been shipped out over and over without being finished!
Why don't they clean before shipping?
Is anyone upset about the cloth on their tables?
Why did revo watch this thread and wait so long to respond?
I have gone from the desire to order two of them to forget that, my wife can screw up my table on her own.
The answer is pretty simple. When you're the "first" company to offer a new interesting product which so many are willing to buy it may deprave you to a certain degree. They may offer this as an option with their custom revos just for 699$:grin-square:. The best thing for a customer happening now is competition between so many manufacturers. Very soon they will have to strive for their customer. It's so funny for me to see their new offer with some custom options for 699$ while for example Goran at Go-customs from the very beginning offers more options for GO-2 shafts and for 390$. The same goes for Becue ... you can get more for less money. There will be more I'm sure.
The Meucci seems to be the same way, there was like a whole film layer of the black that I wiped down with alcohol before I even used it.
Predator has lost their mind if they think I'm sending them 699.00 for a shaft just because of a 1/8" pad their calling a ferrule.....lol....
No way.
Pechauer is sounding better and better every day.