Revo Stock

Everyone wants what they cant have....just they way we are wired.

China is THE manufacturing powerhouse. Would not be surprised if production is quietly moved ( if it has not been yet) to Pred China facility. Bet there are exact replica REVO copies being sold. Most would never know. They can replicate and knock off anything and they do.

Watch, come November just before Christmas they will be readily available....then they will drop the new and improved REVO 2.0 come spring/summer and you will be able to snatch used original REVOS up for $300-350 with everyone jumping on the new and improved 2.0 or Cuetec's if readily available.


Just my 2c
-Kat,
 
Dave-Kat said:
Everyone wants what they cant have....just they way we are wired.

China is THE manufacturing powerhouse. Would not be surprised if production is quietly moved ( if it has not been yet) to Pred China facility. Bet there are exact replica REVO copies being sold. Most would never know. They can replicate and knock off anything and they do.

Watch, come November just before Christmas they will be readily available....then they will drop the new and improved REVO 2.0 come spring/summer and you will be able to snatch used original REVOS up for $300-350 with everyone jumping on the new and improved 2.0 or Cuetec's if readily available.


Just my 2c
-Kat,
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I asked Predator directly. Answer was ALL REVO shafts are made in Boston, MA. Said they WAY under-estimated demand and were working towards increasing output. This was back in July-Aug. timeframe.
 
Yes they started mfg in Boston but don't think for a second they are gonna let all that cake go to competition since they saw the huge demand for $500 carbon pipes. Moving production, if not already overseas. That is Pred's MO.....

JMO
-Kat,


garczar said:
I asked Predator directly. Answer was ALL REVO shafts are made in Boston, MA. Said they WAY under-estimated demand and were working towards increasing output. This was back in July-Aug. timeframe.
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When the Revo first came out, you couldn't get the shaft alone. I recall you had to buy as part of a $2500 cue. Predator did drop their price, by listing the Revo shaft alone, and not with a package.

I hope the folks looking forward at Cuetec's offering arent' confusing carbon fiber with low deflection. Years ago, I recalled people thought Meucci's black dot was low deflection because it was manufactured shaft, like OB and Predator.

Stew_Pidaso said:
If that were true, then why hasn't Predator increased their price to $600 or $700 like they were going for on the secondary market? The price has stayed the exact same as when they were introduced 2 1/2 years ago.
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Poolfiend said:
This is my plan as well. Only thing I didn't like about the Revo was the lack of a white ferrule for aiming - so I painted a thin white ring right under the tip :eek:



The Cuetec is supposed to come with a white ring, not sure if it's an actual ferrule or if it just a painted ring, but I'm looking forward to trying. I haven't heard any updates for awhile - anyone know when it might be available?
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I believe the white is indeed a thin ferrule.




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ctyhntr said:
When the Revo first came out, you couldn't get the shaft alone. I recall you had to buy as part of a $2500 cue. Predator did drop their price, by listing the Revo shaft alone, and not with a package.

I hope the folks looking forward at Cuetec's offering arent' confusing carbon fiber with low deflection. Years ago, I recalled people thought Meucci's black dot was low deflection because it was manufactured shaft, like OB and Predator.
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I had a black-dot and it was low-deflection. Actually compared to a stock solid Lucasi shaft it was much less. What i didn't like was the numb/dead feel of it. The thing about CF is you can make the shaft both stiff and LD at the same time by lightening the front-end of the shaft. Hard to get that combo with wood.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I've already decided to buy the CueTech shaft when it comes out as a back-up to my Revo. If I prefer it better than the Revo, then the Revo will be my back-up.

I was trying to buy a second Revo, but every place I looked was sold out. So I definitely agree that Predator is really blowing it on this one.
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I have used a R12.9 for a while now and had a chance to hit with the C12.5 a few times. If I could have my pick of the two, I would pick the C12.5 over the R12.9. It hits very similar, feels more solid and has the white "ferrule" which does help in aiming. SVB nailed that one!
 
MSchaffer said:
Has anyone heard any recent updates on Revo stock? They've been out for several months now, and over the summer I heard rumors of being ready by September.

September has come and gone, and now we are more than halfway done with October, and I've not heard anything.
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I emailed Pred about it. Im not paying the asinine markup that resellers are asking. I'm waiting for my local shot or one of the big retailes to get them back it.

Pred told me that they are shipping them out regularly, I just dont believe that one bit. I emailed them last month, my local shop and the big retailers (Pooldawg, seyberts, omega) still do not have them. Hoping to pick one up and the International at the end of the month. Not really sweating it. Just gonna be a ****around shaft for me. Not going to be my main player.
 
ctyhntr said:
Cuetec was the first to use carbon fiber. Predator savvy marketing have shown their are consumers now willing to pay $500, which I think is Cuetec's motivation to come out with a new carbon fiber shaft.
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I believe you are mistaken,Cuetec produced graphite shafts which is quite different material in comparison to carbon fiber;)
 
Sometimes personal relationships aren't what we think they are.

Figured that out trying to buy some hard to find bourbon.

Derek7646 said:
Yeah, the revo crops boom every 3 months in the west :P

I was on 7 lists from personal relationships with distributors and on the lists of ozone, pooldawg, serberts and a few other websites for a 12.4 revo and i have still heard nothing of it, aside from the one i bought used the other day.
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Agreed.

Nintendo is a master at this, as is Apple, and Samsung.

Derek7646 said:
Russel, I hate to break it to you, but many companies/entities/people/countries do this. This little thing called "economics". If there is supply above demand (surplus), the price of something will drop. If there is minimal supply that is not meeting demand, (a scarcity) price will go up. Its like water during a disastrous hurricane. Sure, you would laugh at somebody for charging 100 dollars for a 24 pack of water but if you were dying of dehydration amidst a hurrcane (or really really really wanted a revo), you may be willing to pay that price, as a lot of people WANT/NEED that water, so the holder of aforementioned water can be a dickbag and rise the price of the water to level off the demand a bit and hopefully meet equillibrium.

Economics! :smile:
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So to everyone saying "i wouldn't want you running my business!", that's adorable.

But yeah, Predator didn't maximimize profits on this (if they were doing it intentionally).

The principal of maximizing profits on an item is to keep it scare and keep demand up for it. If demand greatly exceeds supply, ie: people really want it but there is only so many out there, then you are able to raise the price and SOME people will still buy it. So instead of selling 1000 shafts at $300, a reasonable price that would have flooded the market even more with revo's, they sold them at $500, knowing the demand would be high and SOME people would buy those $500 dollar shafts. After they realized the demand was this high, they could sell them for $600, which would lower the demand and bring the curve back to equillibrium, ie: supply meeting demand with the ideal price people are typically willing to pay for something. Everybody wouldn't have a revo, but predator would have profited more from this than they would by selling them for $400-500 and not meeting demand.

This leads me to believe predators lack of supply was truly unintentional, as this particular path they took is not good business. You are right that they are leaving cheese on the table and they are not maximizing their profits with this current strategy, but to say controlling supply to increase demand and price isn't a business strategy, is silly.

Its kind of like art, what is art actually worth? The answer is, what we are willing to pay for it as consumers. If Picasso made tens of thousands of paintings, would anyone give a shit? Would they be worth anything, since they were everywhere? Would people pay millions of dollars for a painting when there were ten thousand more? Anyway, i'm done teaching economics.

Predator should produce more revo's before cuetec and friends come out with their own version OR as someone said, be ready for Revo 2.0 with some kind of revolutionary design, as well as more pin types, limited edition butts that look amazing and the price shouldn't be drastically higher then the old revo or the new cuetec.
 
marek said:
Care to elaborate??:confused::confused::confused: Both are carbon-based but their properties are VERY different..
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The term became interchangeable with Tennis rackets first went in to mass production. Carbon Fiber was what they called in here.. Overseas. It was graphite. I actually worked for a Carbon Plant in NC. So how you prepare the substance and manufacture it into your item will effect strength and other factors.

Dunlop patented the graphite injection process in to their carbon fiber tennis rackets first. They found the way the fibers were injected in certain patterns or layers effected it's rigidity and how much you could use to basically get the same strength but light weight.

They even use the terms hypercarbon now. But it's really the same stuff. Just stretched out and mixed with other materials. Like having water and adding a little color to it. You now have colored water. :)
 
Coop1701 said:
The term became interchangeable with Tennis rackets first went in to mass production. Carbon Fiber was what they called in here.. Overseas. It was graphite. I actually worked for a Carbon Plant in NC. So how you prepare the substance and manufacture it into your item will effect strength and other factors.

Dunlop patented the graphite injection process in to their carbon fiber tennis rackets first. They found the way the fibers were injected in certain patterns or layers effected it's rigidity and how much you could use to basically get the same strength but light weight.

They even use the terms hypercarbon now. But it's really the same stuff. Just stretched out and mixed with other materials. Like having water and adding a little color to it. You now have colored water. :)
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Yep. To the average man-on-the-street they mean same thing. People call CF golf shafts and tennis/squash rackets "graphite" all the time. So for all intents-n-purposes calling a Revo/CT/Becue a "graphite" shaft is ok.
 
That's what i said, they apparently were not trying to control the market and just truly couldn't meet the demand for their products. At this point in the game, if they started charging more money, people would just wait for the alternative in December. It would be like Xbox raising their prices on older machines when playstation is coming out with a new model in two months, just not going to work. The principals are the same and true, but Predator didn't exactly utilize the correct business model here, as i don't think any of us, nor them, expected the revo to explode like it did. With that being said, if they jacked up the price to $600 a year ago, i bet they still would have sold ALL of their revo's. Probably wouldn't be as many people looking for them now, as demand likely would have been met with that price increase, however, predator would have pocketed 20% more profits.
 
Coop1701 said:
The term became interchangeable with Tennis rackets first went in to mass production. Carbon Fiber was what they called in here.. Overseas. It was graphite. I actually worked for a Carbon Plant in NC. So how you prepare the substance and manufacture it into your item will effect strength and other factors.

Dunlop patented the graphite injection process in to their carbon fiber tennis rackets first. They found the way the fibers were injected in certain patterns or layers effected it's rigidity and how much you could use to basically get the same strength but light weight.

They even use the terms hypercarbon now. But it's really the same stuff. Just stretched out and mixed with other materials. Like having water and adding a little color to it. You now have colored water. :)
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Well you apparently totally discard the difference in creating those two (especially the temperature) resulting in totally different molecular structure. In the end the difference between graphite and carbon fiber is the fact that graphite breaks apart easily while carbon fiber is strong hence the different uses for both substances. So while they start as same,those two are really different in the end. ;)
 
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marek said:
Well you apparently totally discard the difference in creating those two (especially the temperature) resulting in totally different molecular structure. In the end the difference between graphite and carbon fiber is the fact that graphite breaks apart easily while carbon fiber is strong hence the different uses for both substances. So while they start as same,those two are really different in the end. ;)
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LOL Okay.. You win. Carbon Fiber is Graphite re-enforce by alternative means. Such as temp, thickness, alternative materials and injection pattern.
 
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