Ring Game Roll Out Rule???

[SKUNKBOY]

Normally, it is highly frowned upon to play a safe in a ring game (you might be executed if you fall safe too many times in most ring games). If you foul and leave a guy safe, he has the option to give the shot back to you right?

Could you activate the old Roll Out Anytime rule in a ring game to aliviate the accidental (or on purpose) safe leave? It might allow the game to proceed without many arguements about safe leaves and gives the reciepient of that accidental (or on purpose) safe leave a playable option. The incoming player would still have the option of giving the shot back.

Alternate plan: One option you could require in that rule is that you have to accept the shot if you can 'see' any part of the legal OB, foul or no foul and also after a Roll Out as well. In other words, when you walk up to the table, no matter what the player before you did, if you can hit the legal OB directly (no 'kicks' or 'jumps' necessary), you must accept the table...no passing back. However, if the player before you fouled and you are 'hooked', you can Roll Out or pass the shot back.

Just a thought...what do you all think? Would this work?

L8R...Ken

 

[Black-Balled]

K.I.S.S.

Honest effort- incoming shooter has choice to play or pass back.

Teaming up will not be taken lightly.

 

[satman]

Not sure

Normally, it is highly frowned upon to play a safe in a ring game (you might be executed if you fall safe too many times in most ring games). If you foul and leave a guy safe, he has the option to give the shot back to you right?

Could you activate the old Roll Out Anytime rule in a ring game to aliviate the accidental (or on purpose) safe leave? It might allow the game to proceed without many arguements about safe leaves and gives the reciepient of that accidental (or on purpose) safe leave a playable option. The incoming player would still have the option of giving the shot back.

Alternate plan: One option you could require in that rule is that you have to accept the shot if you can 'see' any part of the legal OB, foul or no foul and also after a Roll Out as well. In other words, when you walk up to the table, no matter what the player before you did, if you can hit the legal OB directly (no 'kicks' or 'jumps' necessary), you must accept the table...no passing back. However, if the player before you fouled and you are 'hooked', you can Roll Out or pass the shot back.

Just a thought...what do you all think? Would this work?

L8R...Ken

Grady's rules for heads up 9-ball might work for a ring game though. Even though you don't play ball in hand in a ring game, it might work. The rule goes, you may push out when it's your turn at the table, if the next player turns down the shot, you must pocket a ball on a legal hit or he gets ball in hand. If he takes the shot you pushed out, he must pocket a ball on a legal hit, or it's ball in hand. It makes a situation where you must push out something you at least have a chance of making, but your opponent still don't like. No lucky safes in this game.

 

[SKUNKBOY]

satman, that sound workable (in a BIH game), but as you mentioned, no BIH ina ring game. That gives me another option to consider if I can work something like that into a ring game.

Black-Balled...sometimes that teaming up thing is hard to prove and, as in all things involving money, you don't always have the most honest guys participating. Good thought though.

thanks...Ken

 

[satman]

You could make it work

satman, that sound workable (in a BIH game), but as you mentioned, no BIH ina ring game. That gives me another option to consider if I can work something like that into a ring game.

Black-Balled...sometimes that teaming up thing is hard to prove and, as in all things involving money, you don't always have the most honest guys participating. Good thought though.

thanks...Ken

It would all balance out in the long run if you used the BIH rule, but only on the push out and missed shot rule. It would not come into play if a guy comes to the table for his turn, tries a thin cut and misses the whole object ball. The incoming player could then have the option of shooting or make the guy shoot, and if he missed the shot, gets BIH.. You could mix and match rules if you're running a ring game tourney. Just make sure all players know up front what the rules are.

 

[Pushout]

Normally, it is highly frowned upon to play a safe in a ring game (you might be executed if you fall safe too many times in most ring games). If you foul and leave a guy safe, he has the option to give the shot back to you right?

Have the ring game rules changed?? When I left NY in '97 there was no giving the shot back, ever. I've never even heard of this, we always had to take the shot we were left.

 

[dabarbr]

Have the ring game rules changed?? When I left NY in '97 there was no giving the shot back, ever. I've never even heard of this, we always had to take the shot we were left.

This has been a normal rule for as long as I can remember and I've been around for a while.

As a matter of fact many times if one is hooked, they will attempt a kick with the intension of not hitting the ball with the hopes that the shot will be turned back to them. This way they may get a turn with a full view of the ball. In this case most know what's happening but it can't be stopped.

If you picture the above scenario, he kicks does not hit the ball and you're next, and hooked, with absolutely no shot. Basically he just go one man out of the rotation and closer to his next turn. You just got panelized for his error.

 

[Pushout]

This has been a normal rule for as long as I can remember and I've been around for a while.

As a matter of fact many times if one is hooked, they will attempt a kick with the intension of not hitting the ball with the hopes that the shot will be turned back to them. This way they may get a turn with a full view of the ball. In this case most know what's happening but it can't be stopped.

If you picture the above scenario, he kicks does not hit the ball and you're next, and hooked, with absolutely no shot. Basically he just go one man out of the rotation and closer to his next turn. You just got panelized for his error.

I understand what you're saying, I wondered about this for a long time, but that was the way they played. I started playing seriously in '74 and they still played that way in '97 when I left. And, by the way, I saw it happen just as you describe many times but nobody ever said "Let's change this."

 

[caponekid]

Not in my game

when you allow people to do this, you take the chance of two people teaming up and throwing you in the river. if the guy pushes out to a hard but makeable shot (one you would not give back) his buddy simply will just give it back and they are getting twice the chances at the table! when i play in ring game its usually with people i know and we all agree pushing is not allowed ever, and if someone new wants in we tell them that to start with. the push out would be a great rule if you knew everyone was on the square, cuz i know all to well the feeling of going 5-10 racks just wanting to see a ball.