RIP 'SCB'........................

[7stud]

I tried to sell a fully built room with 16 tables for 45K....and nobody bought it....pool in Syracuse is dead. Let the leagues have it.

So, ~$3k per table? What was rent per month?

I remember when you bought the "pool room in a box" from ideologist:

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You kept hinting that you might close sooner than later. Sorry to hear about your plight.

 

[SBC]

So, ~$3k per table? What was rent per month?

I remember when you bought the "pool room in a box" from ideologist:

Star Golden Tournament Chinese 8 Ball tables

Tomorrow I'm picking up 3 Star Golden Tournament Chinese 8 Ball tables used once in a CBSA tournament in the US. These tables are very rare here and amazing works of engineering. There isn't much available online about them here because there are no American distributors. Table specs: 9 by 4.5...

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You kept hinting that you might close sooner than later. Sorry to hear about your plight.

Don't feel bad for me....it's the game that's hurting.

 

[SBC]

Sorry to hear you're closing, here in Elmira nobody wanted to support the few rooms who tried and now they all bitch there's nowhere to play other than bars

Find me 20 guys willing to pay 100 a month, all year long and I'll build them a club tomorrow.

We lost so many old timers and better players. Some died, some moved, some stopped playing. The pool scene we had here 6 years back is just not here. 15 years back we had 3 rooms. Within an hour's drive you had 5 tournament a week, on seperate days and seemingly no room was trying to run over another's night.

 

[jasonlaus]

Luckily for me I bought SBC's Anniversary 9' a while back, another friend has a 9' at home and another has 2 9' tables, so we're good in Oswego - about 40 mins from salt city. Unfortunately I've barely played in a year and haven't been home since September.

I would have bought the place if I could've seen a way to make it work, but I have no time. It will be missed

 

[nicksaint26]

This is the same guy who constantly knocks leagues and their players. Looks like he couldn't make it work though without those league players.

League pool is easy money for a pool room! Those players actually spend money on booze and food instead of water.

 

[SBC]

This is the same guy who constantly knocks leagues and their players. Looks like he couldn't make it work though without those league players.

League pool is easy money for a pool room! Those players actually spend money on booze and food instead of water.

Knocks league pool....guilty.
Because league pool is a joke. Might as well play mini golf.
I didn't rebuild a room from ashes for league players.

If you want to think I personally went broke on this to feel that I lost by not having league, that's typical league mentality. That no room can make it without a bunch of league players paying 4 bucks in greens fees. So all you clowns think thats how you control a room.

League pool is more like termites rotting a house. Just a bunch of bugs that destroy things. Stick to what you know....playing for patches you sew on your vest and winning 5 inch trophies. You know nothing about me or pool as It is best played.

 

[Shooter08]

Knocks league pool....guilty.
Because it's league pool is a joke.
I didn't rebuild a room from ashes for league players.

If you want to think I personally went broke on this to feel that I lost by not having league, that's typical league mentality. That no room can make it without a bunch of league players paying 4 bucks in greens fees. So all you clowns think thats how you control a room.

League pool is more like termites rotting a house. Just a bunch of bugs that destroy things. Stick to what you know....playing for patches you sew on your vest and winning 5 inch trophies. You know nothing about me or pool as It is best played.

Has anyone considered crowdfunding? One group for the real estate and one for the business operation. If a proper management could be in place to run day to day operations it seems possible. We need new ideas to keep this sport alive. If I can invest in farm land or rental property for as little as $500 why not invest in something I can actually physically enjoy in person Or for that matter I can sit in Madison Wisconsin knowing the property in Syracuse is going up in value.

 

[nicksaint26]

Knocks league pool....guilty.
Because league pool is a joke. Might as well play mini golf.
I didn't rebuild a room from ashes for league players.

If you want to think I personally went broke on this to feel that I lost by not having league, that's typical league mentality. That no room can make it without a bunch of league players paying 4 bucks in greens fees. So all you clowns think thats how you control a room.

League pool is more like termites rotting a house. Just a bunch of bugs that destroy things. Stick to what you know....playing for patches you sew on your vest and winning 5 inch trophies. You know nothing about me or pool as It is best played.

I'm a business man not a league player and money is money. You sir are a fool!

Sounds like you ran the perfect players room where no one spent a dime lol! Great job you ran it right into the ground.

 

[Shooter08]

I'm a business man not a league player and money is money. You sir are a fool!

Sounds like you ran the perfect players room where no one spent a dime lol! Great job you ran it right into the ground.

No sir never ran a room. If you are unwilling to listen to ideas you are doomed to fail. Being that you are a business man I was hoping for additional ideas Of how to improve the ability to keep establishments open. Do you invest in real estate? i Know residential has been in a bubble and primarily tech funded rental business property are decreasing but are business locations in Syracuse dropping. appreciate your input, I’m a long way away from there.

 

[Shooter08]

I'm a business man not a league player and money is money. You sir are a fool!

Sounds like you ran the perfect players room where no one spent a dime lol! Great job you ran it right into the ground.

I do have a friend who runs a successful bar, eatery, with about 8-10 tables in the town I live in. It’s not something I would ever have a interest in Running myself. I would invest in crowdfunding to open another establishment under his management in a second. Fortuanately he and his wife who fully own and operate don’t need it.

 

[logical]

Has anyone considered crowdfunding? One group for the real estate and one for the business operation. If a proper management could be in place to run day to day operations it seems possible. We need new ideas to keep this sport alive. If I can invest in farm land or rental property for as little as $500 why not invest in something I can actually physically enjoy in person Or for that matter I can sit in Madison Wisconsin knowing the property in Syracuse is going up in value.

You want people to invest in a business model that doesn't work? The private membership model makes a lot more sense to me in the right area but it will take a large population to yield even a few dozen pool players willing to part with the money it would take to make it even break even. It isn't the same crowd who whines when they are charged for ice water or chases every tournament in driving distance trying to squeeze another $75 in prize money from the locals.

In my area public golf courses at either end of the price spectrum do very well, but private courses at much higher costs do even better. Not every area has that demographic.

 

[SBC]

I'm a business man not a league player and money is money. You sir are a fool!

Sounds like you ran the perfect players room where no one spent a dime lol! Great job you ran it right into the ground.

Dipshit who's saying I didn't make alot of money?

Just another leaguer looking to drive out the last real pool hall.

 

[SBC]

Has anyone considered crowdfunding? One group for the real estate and one for the business operation. If a proper management could be in place to run day to day operations it seems possible. We need new ideas to keep this sport alive. If I can invest in farm land or rental property for as little as $500 why not invest in something I can actually physically enjoy in person Or for that matter I can sit in Madison Wisconsin knowing the property in Syracuse is going up in value.

I can setup a small nonprofit 501c7 social organization....already did to be the only legal pool hall in all of NY stare during covid shutdowns. Build a small club, just nine foot tables for better players. Even the general public prefers the nine footers.

What I won't do is support league pool. It is a blight on what I and and admittedly shrinking group of dedicated players need. In fact for us there is no substitute. We don't want to spot a 3 five games to 2 because it's not competitive. Rather flirt with becoming shortstop level and be bracket fillers for pro events.

 

[SBC]

I'm a business man not a league player and money is money. You sir are a fool!

Sounds like you ran the perfect players room where no one spent a dime lol! Great job you ran it right into the ground.

Yeah the guy who has 80 cars in the lot with league 6 nights a week is doing so much better. He had the landlord rebuild to suit after a fire with big deposit, triple net lease and a 10 year personally guaranteed commitment. He has an easy 100k he put into a building he will never own. His overhead is about 20k a month. So which Brian is the dumb one?? BTW he's trying to sell...is that because he's making so much money?

 

[SBC]

No sir never ran a room. If you are unwilling to listen to ideas you are doomed to fail. Being that you are a business man I was hoping for additional ideas Of how to improve the ability to keep establishments open. Do you invest in real estate? i Know residential has been in a bubble and primarily tech funded rental business property are decreasing but are business locations in Syracuse dropping. appreciate your input, I’m a long way away from there.

Syracuse will soon be called Sewercuse. You want to be open til 2am and deal with the public? And the public is the only people who spend real money, not the better players and definitely not league. After covid shutdowns and having to give up our liquor liscense to play pool....I never got liquor again. I knew 2 years ago what I was doing....running out the clock.

Businessmen ought to understand you don't personally fund a venture without a future. Well that's pool in upstate NY. Every room owner who makes it work is at their rooms 60 hours a week with limited hours. If any made over 80k a year for their time I'd be shocked. I'll take my job making double that, with benefits, paid time off and retirement. When I opened I worked every night til 1215, 7 nights a week, then 4 nights and then 3 til covid hit. Then I'd be at work at 730 treating cancer patients. So anybody thinks it's easy should have bought me out for peanuts and found out.

 

[SBC]

This is the same guy who constantly knocks leagues and their players. Looks like he couldn't make it work though without those league players.

League pool is easy money for a pool room! Those players actually spend money on booze and food instead of water.

You going to Suoer Billiards Expo?
We can play for whatever you like hero since you know so much.

 

[jasonlaus]

I'm a business man not a league player and money is money. You sir are a fool!

Sounds like you ran the perfect players room where no one spent a dime lol! Great job you ran it right into the ground.

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

His room was full until the other room started giving away free food, free time, etc.

All the players that left and went for the freebies are gonna be in for a shock very shortly if not already. Hope they get exactly what they deserve.

 

[nicksaint26]

No sir never ran a room. If you are unwilling to listen to ideas you are doomed to fail. Being that you are a business man I was hoping for additional ideas Of how to improve the ability to keep establishments open. Do you invest in real estate? i Know residential has been in a bubble and primarily tech funded rental business property are decreasing but are business locations in Syracuse dropping. appreciate your input, I’m a long way away from there.

Let me tell you what I would NOT do and that's run a pool hall and discriminate against my largest clientele base because they are league players! Pool is already a niche market and this guy don't want no leagues or league players at his poolroom. Does that make sense to anyone?

What would I do? For starters have leagues at least 4/5 nights a week since those players actually spend money and play pool every week. They would be regulars and spend money regularly but this guy is so hell bent on bashing his main clientele he runs them off. He is living in some fantasy world. I'm sorry that is just bad business. If you want to own a poolroom and have no leagues I don't see a viable business model. Sorry SBC it just doesn't make sense.

Look at Snookers in Providence RI for a successful business model (also in the Northeast). They run a professional room for professional players but also cater to league players and the college crowd. They kill it!

 

[SBC]

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

His room was full until the other room started giving away free food, free time, etc.

All the players that left and went for the freebies are gonna be in for a shock very shortly if not already. Hope they get exactly what they deserve.

They will
Hamburgers already at 14 now
6 bucks an hour per person. We play 4 to 8 hours.
That's 48 to 96 dollars a session???

After covid, I sucked up the bailout $ and stopped trying. Had 2 extra years on them. I'm president of a failing company. Easy as losing a set 7 to 0.

I took 800k out of the market my competitor never saw....big part of why he's on the ropes. He's stuck and can't get out of his lease or recover the money he put building it out. I bet withing 2 years he's busted. You can only write off business losses 5 yesrs....then its a hobby.

So he can enjoy his special place in hell while I'm here on the lake waiting for spring with all my toys and diamond in the garage.

 

[jasonlaus]

Let me tell you what I would NOT do and that's run a pool hall and discriminate against my largest clientele base because they are league players! Pool is already a niche market and this guy don't want no leagues or league players at his poolroom. Does that make sense to anyone?

What would I do? For starters have leagues at least 4/5 nights a week since those players actually spend money and play pool every week. They would be regulars and spend money regularly but this guy is so hell bent on bashing his main clientele he runs them off. He is living in some fantasy world. I'm sorry that is just bad business. If you want to own a poolroom and have no leagues I don't see a viable business model. Sorry SBC it just doesn't make sense.

Look at Snookers in Providence RI for a successful business model (also in the Northeast). They run a professional room for professional players but also cater to league players and the college crowd. They kill it!

Again, you are 100% wrong.

He was busy, with people that actually pay time and eat and drink.

League players don't visit the business except on the night they play in 95% of cases.

If you have league 4 or 5 nights a week how are the people that play league on 1 Night a week supposed to play on full tables that aren't paying shit?