Road player test

[AceHigh]

So...are you saying that when you play poker or any kind of card game that you DON'T bluff your ass off to win a pot?

I don't bluff. . . I just bet when I know the other person won't call.

As far as me not going out on the road (as stated by VAP), no I won't be going out on the road, because I have a better way of earning money. But if I did go on the road, I surely wouldn't decieve/hustle somebody. Call me old fashioned at 20 years old, but I still believe in a little something called morals.

 

[Tbeaux]

The official definitions according to 3 Internet resources.

“HUSTLE”

To misrepresent one's skill in (a game or activity) in order to deceive someone, especially in gambling.

To misrepresent one's ability in order to deceive someone, especially in gambling.

To lure less skillful players into competing against oneself at (a gambling game).

SO - I DIDN'T INVENT IT - I JUST DID IT - AND DAMN GOOD TO.

TY & GL

Ps. Why are the "Sneaky-Pete" Cues soooooooo Popular ???

OHB,

I can see where you might have come into a town hustling but I would think the hustling would turn to matching up against the top local talent pretty quick. And that the bigger the town the longer you had action. Am I correct in this assumption?

Terry (never did it but thought about doin' it)

 

[drivermaker]

I don't bluff. . . I just bet when I know the other person won't call.

As far as me not going out on the road (as stated by VAP), no I won't be going out on the road, because I have a better way of earning money. But if I did go on the road, I surely wouldn't decieve/hustle somebody. Call me old fashioned at 20 years old, but I still believe in a little something called morals.

I'm not a poker or card player...HOWEVER, that's not what I see happening on all of the poker tournaments on 5 different channels at one time every single night. They're bluffing their hands and lying their asses off to the rest of the table based on the strength or weakness of their cards. It's called poker and is the essence of gambling. Otherwise, everybody might as well have their cards turned face up in all games and just base it on the hand dealt to you.

Good thing you're NOT going on the road...you'd go bust in one day.

 

[AceHigh]

I'm not a poker or card player...HOWEVER, that's not what I see happening on all of the poker tournaments on 5 different channels at one time every single night. They're bluffing their hands and lying their asses off to the rest of the table based on the strength or weakness of their cards. It's called poker and is the essence of gambling. Otherwise, everybody might as well have their cards turned face up in all games and just base it on the hand dealt to you.

Good thing you're NOT going on the road...you'd go bust in one day.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I just don't understand why a player can't go on the road, and play his heart out without lying to the other player(s). You bring up the fact that poker players lie and bluff, but you left out the fact that it's a necessity. You don't need to lie to win in pool, unless of course, you can't match up evenly with great players, or you can't give up the proper weight.

 

[sjm]

I'm not trying to argue with you. I just don't understand why a player can't go on the road, and play his heart out without lying to the other player(s). You bring up the fact that poker players lie and bluff, but you left out the fact that it's a necessity. You don't need to lie to win in pool, unless of course, you can't match up evenly with great players, or you can't give up the proper weight.

Nice post. Bluffing in poker may be deceptive, but it is not deceitful. Bluffing at cards is no worse than faking a bunt in baseball to get the third baseman to move in a few steps, and then slapping a basehit right past him.

 

[vapoolplayer]

I'm not trying to argue with you. I just don't understand why a player can't go on the road, and play his heart out without lying to the other player(s). You bring up the fact that poker players lie and bluff, but you left out the fact that it's a necessity. You don't need to lie to win in pool, unless of course, you can't match up evenly with great players, or you can't give up the proper weight.

excuse me??? its not a neccesity??? if you match up and EVEN game with or without a spot........thats 50/50.............

you being a poker player.......how do you like 50/50 odds if you were going to make a living?

i don't like those odds at all.

you don't understand why a player can't go on the road and play his heart out even??????

because he CAN'T make money that way........its impossible. you make alot of EVEN games then the best you can really hope for is to come out EVEN.


i'm sure you play in a weekly poker game of some sort.........do you handicap the poker game if you have a player that isn't any good at poker??? HELL NO, you just let him play and take his money. if ALL the players at the poker table were equally as good at poker......you'd just be giving money back and forth.........you CAN'T make a living that way.......

just like a poolplayer CAN'T make a living playing everyone on an even playing field.......it just isn't smart.

millions of people spend money in vegas gambling each year.........you don't think that casinos aren't "hustling" you???

VAP

 

[vapoolplayer]

Nice post. Bluffing in poker may be deceptive, but it is not deceitful. Bluffing at cards is no worse than faking a bunt in baseball to get the third baseman to move in a few steps, and then slapping a basehit right past him.

so whats the difference in a pool player "faking a bunt"(playing down) basically to get a little more money on the table(getting the first basemen to move a few steps???

like i said earlier, most marks think that they have the nuts and are gonna rob the hustler blind...........so who really is in the wrong here?

VAP

 

[vapoolplayer]

Call me old fashioned at 20 years old, but I still believe in a little something called morals.

hmmm, a poker player that doesn't bluff, a pool player that always gives a fair game........at 20 years old...........

sounds like you'll always have a real job........you'd definitely go broke in both games with those ideas..........

get your head out the clouds and get back to reality.........

"hustling" isn't just for pool..........its everywhere.........every sport, every job......hell corporate america probably has more "hustling" going on than pool does. not to mention politics.........

open those 20 yr old eyes........i'm not much older but damn dude.......you gotta wake up.

VAP

 

[sjm]

so whats the difference in a pool player "faking a bunt"(playing down) basically to get a little more money on the table(getting the first basemen to move a few steps???

like i said earlier, most marks think that they have the nuts and are gonna rob the hustler blind...........so who really is in the wrong here?

VAP

I know where you're coming from, VAP, but the difference is that the baseball player that fakes a bunt is not setting himself up for success by giving a less than maximum effort.

 

[vapoolplayer]

I know where you're coming from, VAP, but the difference is that the baseball player that fakes a bunt is not setting himself up for success by giving a less than maximum effort.

well now you're getting into the definition of "effort".

i know i put all the "effort" i can into maximizing the payout.........LOL.

VAP

 

[sjm]

well now you're getting into the definition of "effort".

i know i put all the "effort" i can into maximizing the payout.........LOL.

VAP

Good one, VAP, you defintiely got me on that one!

 

[alstl]

As opposed to not giving someone the proper weight they deserve. Fuck that shit! If someone plays A speed, then they should play at that level when they gamble and give their oppenent the proper weight. If they lose, so what, they lost honestly. When I gamble, I play to my best level at all times.

Here's some advice for anyone wanting to go on the road to hustle/con/rob people of their money. Rob a fucking bank, it'll save you the time and effort. Plus, you won't have to live in your car or shitty motels.
Later.

Not everybody looks good in an orange jumpsuit. As for the original thread, all that was revealed was the guy's first name. Can't the guy just go by a different name, maybe something not so original like John?

 

[OldHasBeen]

NO TERRY - Not at all - Your missing the point, and that is to consistently WIN.

OHB,

I can see where you might have come into a town hustling but I would think the hustling would turn to matching up against the top local talent pretty quick. And that the bigger the town the longer you had action. Am I correct in this assumption?

Terry (never did it but thought about doin' it)

I DIDN'T HUSTLE TOWNS OR CITIES, I HUSTLED PLAYERS, BACKERS, GAMBLERS, PIMPS, THIEVES, DOPE DEALERS, CRAP HUSTLERS, CARD MECHANICS, ETC., ETC - AND ALSO OTHER POOL HUSTLERS.

I NEVER CARED HOW GOOD SOMEONE WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALWAYS PLAYING ON MY TERMS. THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT, BUT THEY WERE.
I WOULD HEAR ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WILL "GO OFF" AND I WOULD GO THERE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO "TURN HIS GOOSE LOOSE" & THAT'S WHAT I DID.
I COULD CARE LESS IF IT WAS A BERG IN S.C. WITH A POPULATION OF 162 OR DETROIT, MI, NY CITY, ATLANTA, ETC.

I DIDN'T HUSTLE TOWNS OR CITIES, I HUSTLED POOL!

TY & GL

 

[AceHigh]

if ALL the players at the poker table were equally as good at poker......you'd just be giving money back and forth.........you CAN'T make a living that way.......
VAP

you can if you get up from the table when you're up money.

that's why i stopped gambling on pool. whenever i'm up, they wanna do double or nothing. everyone gets on you if you don't give them a chance to win their money back, and that's so fucked up. why should i be obligated to give someone a chance to win money that i played so hard for?

at the poker table, when you're up, you walk away.

and if anyone is interested in playing me heads up at PokerRoom sometime on the weekends when I'm not working. . . drop me a line.

 

[vapoolplayer]

you can if you get up from the table when you're up money.

that's why i stopped gambling on pool. whenever i'm up, they wanna do double or nothing. everyone gets on you if you don't give them a chance to win their money back, and that's so fucked up. why should i be obligated to give someone a chance to win money that i played so hard for?

at the poker table, when you're up, you walk away.

and if anyone is interested in playing me heads up at PokerRoom sometime on the weekends when I'm not working. . . drop me a line.

ok.....that whole statement has nothing to do with the convo........LOL.

VAP

 

[drivermaker]

I know where you're coming from, VAP, but the difference is that the baseball player that fakes a bunt is not setting himself up for success by giving a less than maximum effort.

So, according to that line of thinking...Muhammed Ali should have been disqualified in his fight with George Foreman when he stayed on the ropes playing "rope-a-dope" pretending that he was hurt and worn out instead of giving a maximum effort and slugging it out with Foreman?
It was a bluff and he lured Foreman in. The bluff worked...Foreman lost.

When a poker player has a bad hand (or a great hand) and leads the other players at the table into thinking the opposite, it's a bluff to get all their money. But, it's accepted and OK in poker and not in pool, right?

In the world of sport and especially GAMBLING, or BETTING, there are all types of ploys and gambits for bluffing and luring the other participants into a false sense of security. I think what's being missed here is, just the act of doing it and pulling it off, is AS MUCH OF A GAME IF NOT A BETTER GAME than the actual part of shooting pool to determine the winner. The playing part is almost anti-climatic to setting it up. To me...it's always been the most fun part.

 

[drivermaker]

and if anyone is interested in playing me heads up at PokerRoom sometime on the weekends when I'm not working. . . drop me a line.

I think that challenge already came up in Gin with OHB and you ended up pleading poverty when it came down to brass tacks. Is this a new woofing challenge or are you now flush?

 

[chefjeff]

Privacy is dead....deal with it.

Jeff Livingston

 

[bud green]

Gabe said "I've been one of the best money players in the world for a couple years now". He didn't say he was THE best.

I don't see anyone saying that other than than Kid D or Efren. Of course, there's probably someone out there robbing a CEO of six figures as we speak...

Here's a quote from Grady Matthews from onepocket.org (pool nickname challenge thread):

"Country" was a black player who was probably the greatest pool hustler that ever lived. His only losers were when he wanted to donate some money on purpose. He played only the wealthy and because of that, his true speed was never known.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

you can if you get up from the table when you're up money.

that's why i stopped gambling on pool. whenever i'm up, they wanna do double or nothing. everyone gets on you if you don't give them a chance to win their money back, and that's so fucked up. why should i be obligated to give someone a chance to win money that i played so hard for?

Be the better player: beat them so bad that they have no chance at getting back up. Don't re-adjust if you don't want to. Then if they want to quit loser, that's on them.