Rodney Morris vs Jamie Baraks

[sjm]

One of the more interesting matches I watched at the BCA Open was Rodney Morris vs Jamie Baraks, and in that match, Baraks faced the following position at a key moment in the match.

With ball in hand, the runout looks simple enough. But is it? Baraks took his time deciding how to play it. There are a few different approaches.

How would you have played this with ball in hand? I'll tell you what actually happened later in this thread.

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[RSB-Refugee]

One of the more interesting matches I watched at the BCA Open was Rodney Morris vs Jamie Baraks, and in that match, Baraks faced the following position at a key moment in the match.

With ball in hand, the runout looks simple enough. But is it? Baraks took his time deciding how to play it. There are a few different approaches.

How would you have played this with ball in hand? I'll tell you what actually happened later in this thread.

Post the code.

Tracy

 

[sjm]

Post the code.

Tracy

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[eales]

I would place the Q on the line between the 5 and the bottom middle pocket, shoot the 5 in the top left and try to get the Q close to the head rail to get an angle on the 6. Shoot the six in the bottom right and come up for the 7 in the top right, keeping an angle on the 8 in the bottom right to come up for the 9 in bottom left pocket.

What did Baraks do?

Jim Eales

 

[landshark77]

Ok, with everyone realizing that I suck at pool, I will tell you what I would do...it's probably wrong and more complicated than the "correct" way...but then again...I SUCK AT POOL!

(I don't know if there is an easier way to do this on the WEI, but I'll just describe what I would do.)

1. Cut the 5 in the lower right pocket, leaving the CB close to the Rt. rail around the 2nd/3rd diamond.

2. Cut the 6 into the top Lft. pocket using left english. This is where is gets tricky for me because I don't exactly know what the CB will do, as it will hit the 8, just knocking it a bit...not to much...my guess is that ths CB would stay around the general vacinity of where the 8 is currently. (I told you I suck at pool!)

3. Given that the CB ends up where I predicted I would slice the 7 into the lower Rt. pocket, using severe left english. The CB should stay around the fourth diamond and up on the Rt. rail and the second diamond and over to the Rt. on the top rail.

4. Thus the 8 would be cut into the upper Lft. pocket with draw.

5. The 9 would go into the lower left pocket.

So how bad do I suck guys????

 

[Rackin_Zack]

I'd start with the cue ball where I've shown it and shoot the 5 in the corner taking the cue to the other side of the table making sure to get a little below the six. Shoot the six in the bottom right corner going one rail out for the 7 in the upper right corner rolling down a touch to get a decent angle on the eight. Shoot the 8 in the corner drawing the ball slightly to get semi-straight in the lower left corner for the nine.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

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It's pretty tough to hit the first shot too hard, as long as you get to the third rail you are OK.

Tracy

 

[Roach]

So how bad do I suck guys????

Real Bad..........

I agree with eales. The speed from the 5 to the 6 is the key. And, if you've read Byrnes book, and practiced the shots he talks about, you should know it.

I'm 99 out of 100 on getting the cue ball within a diamond of the head rail.

I win.

 

[MexPoolPlyr]

Well, the runout patterns zack explained are the way your suppose to run out in my opinion. But I wouldn't think baraks made it so easy on himself. I would guess he shot the 5 ball in the upper left pocket and ran whitey into the seven bringing it closer to the top right pocket. That way, the 6 to 7 position is not an issue. Just got a feeling thats what happened. In my opinion its risky, but as long as you execute, it don't matter how you run out. JMO

 

[bruin70]

One of the more interesting matches I watched at the BCA Open was Rodney Morris vs Jamie Baraks, and in that match, Baraks faced the following position at a key moment in the match.

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pocket the 5 in the upper left roll the cb down OFF the end rail with an angle to pocket the 6, go one rail, and position the cb to pocket the 7 in the upper right. if you land on the wrong side of the 6, the 8 will pose problems for the cb to get to the 7.

 

[frankncali]

Well, the runout patterns zack explained are the way your suppose to run out in my opinion. But I wouldn't think baraks made it so easy on himself. I would guess he shot the 5 ball in the upper left pocket and ran whitey into the seven bringing it closer to the top right pocket. That way, the 6 to 7 position is not an issue. Just got a feeling thats what happened. In my opinion its risky, but as long as you execute, it don't matter how you run out. JMO

Thats the way I see it as well. Its tough to screw it up as long as you make the 5. Percentage wise I wonder what the difference in outs is between leaving the cue near the end rail and this option of knocking the 7 downtable
and then shooting the 6. Not from the start but only afterward good position has been made on the 6. For most top pros I think they get out alot from the either position but more after knocking the 7 down table.

I more than likely shoot it the other way and land the cueball near the end rail.

What did Jamie do?

 

[sjm]

Most of us are on the same page here. The runout is simple as long as you get below the six, avoiding having to run into the eight as the six is pocketed.

Baraks took the route shown in the table above, but the path I thought he'd take is the one I believe was recommended by Eales, shown in the lower of the two tables shown. I'd quickly admit that Rackin Zack's shot is nearly identical to this shot, but it seem that the position zone is a little easier to find if the five is played from the short side.

I felt that Barak's position line was a poor one and sure enough, when he came up short on the speed, he turned an easy out into a tough one, and failed to get out.

 

[Roach]

There's no way I would let the cue ball hit the side rail when playing position off the 5 to get to the 6. Just go straight up the table.

You have ball in hand. Pick the perfect angle to get you into the kitchen (cue ball almost exactly half way, on a line between the 5 and the 9, and with the perfect angle the speed is easy to detect.

 

[sjm]

There's no way I would let the cue ball hit the side rail when playing position off the 5 to get to the 6. Just go straight up the table.

You have ball in hand. Pick the perfect angle to get you into the kitchen (cue ball almost exactly half way, on a line between the 5 and the 9, and with the perfect angle the speed is easy to detect.

Thanks, Roach, for your insights, and thanks to all who participated. Landshark, I'm proud of you for participating and mixing it up with the green felt geeks who tend to get involved in this kind of thread.

Hope everyone found this to be an interesting position.

 

[bruin70]

the bottom diagram doesn't make sense to me because it requires a thin cut to a pocket 3 diamonds away. it's for players who need that extra rail to control their cb speed or who have difficulty positioning off one rail(the unanimous choice is basically a one rail shot, even though you're coming off a second))

in diagram 1, i don't like the angle that the cb is coming in from. it's getting too close to the 6, so there's less room for error. also, that kind of shot can get away from you because there's a good chance of some unnecessary spin on the cb and it might kick out too far off the bottom rail(aside from being too close to the 6 to begin with).

if he's going with that shot, i prefer this ball in hand.....less muscle on the shot, less unwanted english, and therefore more control of cb speed.

 

[JoeyInCali]

if he's going with that shot, i prefer this ball in hand.....less muscle on the shot, less unwanted english, and therefore more control of cb speed.

I agree. The safe behind the 8 ball is a possibility too.

 

[sjm]

the bottom diagram doesn't make sense to me because it requires a thin cut to a pocket 3 diamonds away. it's for players who need that extra rail to control their cb speed or who have difficulty positioning off one rail(the unanimous choice is basically a one rail shot, even though you're coming off a second))

in diagram 1, i don't like the angle that the cb is coming in from. it's getting too close to the 6, so there's less room for error. also, that kind of shot can get away from you because there's a good chance of some unnecessary spin on the cb and it might kick out too far off the bottom rail(aside from being too close to the 6 to begin with).

if he's going with that shot, i prefer this ball in hand.....less muscle on the shot, less unwanted english, and therefore more control of cb speed.

Agreed, that makes the path a little longer, and, as a group, we all seem to favor a long line to get below the six. As we've seen, there are a few ways to get it done, but the key to the out is avoiding running into the eight while playing onto the seven.

 

[Roach]

The cue ball coming off the side rail is the wrong path to approach the 6 from if you want to get below it (inside the first diamond). The closer you come to getting below it the closer you are getting to the 6 which could result in a very tough shot.

Of course it all depends on the exact angle you approach from. And, I say it is difficult to get the correct angle off the side rail. Much margin for error.

THE shot is to come straight up the table off the 5. You should be able to define the angle and the speed almost perfectly since you have ball in hand.

BTW, if you don't know the cue ball speed on this shot you're a rookie. Spend 10 minutes on this shot and you'll know the speed to within the first diamond for life.

 

[PoolBum]

There's no way I would let the cue ball hit the side rail when playing position off the 5 to get to the 6. Just go straight up the table.

You have ball in hand. Pick the perfect angle to get you into the kitchen (cue ball almost exactly half way, on a line between the 5 and the 9, and with the perfect angle the speed is easy to detect.

I believe the safest route from the five to the six is off the side rail, rather than straight up the table. If you try and go straight up the table, I think there is less room for error. If your line is off slightly at the start coming off the five or the end rail, by the time you get to the other end of the table you could be running toward the corner pocket, or too close to the six. I think there's a good diamond's worth of error where you hit that side rail with a touch of natural English to still get down table with the right shape on the six. As a player, the feel of that shot just seems easier to me too.

 

[Island Drive]

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One of the more interesting matches I watched at the BCA Open was Rodney Morris vs Jamie Baraks, and in that match, Baraks faced the following position at a key moment in the match.

With ball in hand, the runout looks simple enough. But is it? Baraks took his time deciding how to play it. There are a few different approaches.

How would you have played this with ball in hand? I'll tell you what actually happened later in this thread.

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I would of cut it in the other corner pocket, the tangent line off the other side of the 5 takes the side pocket out of the shot & the ball naturally to the bottom rail ,plus you can see the 6 out of your left eye to get a better feel during execution, shooting it in the closer corner pocket, with your back facing the 6 ball the shooter gets less feedback, a good player should be able to do this shot about 97 times out of a 100, the key to getting position on the six is making sure you are below the six to take the impeding ball out of play, worse case this way for a good player is you might get straight in on the 6.