Rodney Morris vs Jamie Baraks

I would have shot it exactly like Baraks as shown in the top pic. With ball in hand to give yourself the right angle and in the middle of the match when you should have the feel for the tables speed I think he just shot a bad shot to the point that nothing he is gonna do will work if he hits it that bad.
 
Island Drive said:
I would of cut it in the other corner pocket, the tangent line off the other side of the 5 takes the side pocket out of the shot & the ball naturally to the bottom rail ,plus you can see the 6 out of your left eye to get a better feel during execution, shooting it in the closer corner pocket, with your back facing the 6 ball the shooter gets less feedback, a good player should be able to do this shot about 97 times out of a 100, the key to getting position on the six is making sure you are below the six to take the impeding ball out of play, worse case this way for a good player is you might get straight in on the 6.

You don't need to see the 6 ball out of the corner of your eye to make your position better, I don't know what the hell you are talkinga bout. You pick a spot on the table you want the cueball to stop, and thats what you do. The right way is simple one rail shape, sending the cueball straight up the table, not very hard to do. Baraks made a mistake, everyone make mistakes, but you guys are over-analyzing a fairly simple layout with fairly simple position from the 5-6 balls. You are not supposed to shoot this on the short side. Jamie played this shot the wrong way, the two rail shape has the cueball coming towards the 6-ball off the first rail, which makes his margin for error very small. With simple one rail shape you have a very large margin for error, and the only way you are going to scratch in the corner down there (which is why Jamie was afraid to use 1-rail shape) is if you accidentally apply inside to the shot.
 
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I would have ...

Put the Q about where Baracks did, maybe just a touch more angle, used
low left english, and slide the Q down table in front of the 7 to the other
end rail, giving me angle on the 6, and natural angle for shape in the 7, after
that I am out.
 
No Need

LowEnglish said:
You don't need to see the 6 ball out of the corner of your eye to make your position better, I don't know what the hell you are talkinga bout. You pick a spot on the table you want the cueball to stop, and thats what you do. The right way is simple one rail shape, sending the cueball straight up the table, not very hard to do. Baraks made a mistake, everyone make mistakes, but you guys are over-analyzing a fairly simple layout with fairly simple position from the 5-6 balls. You are not supposed to shoot this on the short side. Jamie played this shot the wrong way, the two rail shape has the cueball coming towards the 6-ball off the first rail, which makes his margin for error very small. With simple one rail shape you have a very large margin for error, and the only way you are going to scratch in the corner down there (which is why Jamie was afraid to use 1-rail shape) is if you accidentally apply inside to the shot.

Your missing my point, I am not saying you "need to see the six" but, when you have a shot where you can pretty much go either way with the
same results, then one should "consider" choosing the shot where you can see the next ball your playing shape on to give you better feed back on your execution and speed control of the shot. Keep in mind when the cue ball hits the side rail another variable is introduced into the shot giving the shape more chance to fail plus (cue ball spin, dirt on rail nose) plus your shrinking your position zone. This is how I process this shot in its simplist form.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Put the Q about where Baracks did, maybe just a touch more angle, used
low left english, and slide the Q down table in front of the 7 to the other
end rail, giving me angle on the 6, and natural angle for shape in the 7, after
that I am out.

Did you look at the diagram closely? the 9 ball is in the way for the natural two rail path with low left. To get around the 9 ball you have to stun it with alot of left english and that is a bit harder to control and you have a chance of scratching if you don't run into the 9. Look at the layout again, and look at the path the cueball needs to go for your shot. That is one of the worst ways to play it. The best way to play it is to go straight up the table, as it was said before it's really hard to make an error going that way.
 
The benefits ...

Many many players do not realize the benefits of using inside english
as opposed to outside english (which seems to be the natural tendency).
With inside low english on shots, you are able to slide the Q and even if
it hits a rail, it will not take off like it would with outside english causing
it to go further than you wanted it to. It is a good way to shoot a shot,
control the Q, and make it die where you want it to.

You should also practice back banks with inside english as well as outside.

Have you ever seen a woman pro on TV shoot a back bank to the side pocket
with inside english instead of just straight high or outside english, I haven't,
even when they needed to for shape on the next ball.
 
Whoops, I thought you meant two-rail shape with low left. You meant one-rail with inside, that's another way of playing it even though you don't need inside. :rolleyes:
 
Ok, now that I've rethought the shot, I would put the cue ball between the five and the end-rail, jack up, fire the five in the top side pocket and draw the cueball two rails with bottom left English (end-rail, bottom side-rail).

Automatic.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Have you ever seen a woman pro on TV shoot a back bank to the side pocket
with inside english instead of just straight high or outside english, I haven't,
even when they needed to for shape on the next ball.

Wow this is like the tenth time I've read one of your posts where you slipped in a comment about how bad you think the women play. I just find it funny since you've never been on tv and nobody knows who the hell you are. I forgot which pros you claimed to have given the 7-out. Please refresh our memory.
 
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