Rodney Morris

Walt Frazier

Walt Frazier

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Is their a human alive that can beat this guy for the cash??..I doubt it.His winning percentage in money matches is better than anyones(except for Efren)IMO..The guy just does not ever miss for big $$$$.

Before he went to prison..rumor has it that anyone in the world could have got the 8 ball from him in Hawaii.funny thing is,they were'nt exactly running in heards to play him either.. I know this for a fact.

Just ask Chris Bartrum how good Rodney plays for the dough..I'm sure he'll tell you..LIGHTS OUT!:cool:
 
Walt Frazier said:
Is their a human alive that can beat this guy for the cash??..I doubt it.His winning percentage in money matches is better than anyones(except for Efren)IMO..The guy just does not ever miss for big $$$$.

Before he went to prison..rumor has it that anyone in the world could have got the 8 ball from him in Hawaii.funny thing is,they were'nt exactly running in heards to play him either.. I know this for a fact.

Just ask Chris Bartrum how good Rodney plays for the dough..I'm sure he'll tell you..LIGHTS OUT!:cool:
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Why? Did Chris play Rodney? If so, it seems like Chris has been doing a lot of bad matching up lately. He got whacked out by I think it was Orcullo at the DCC this year or last, I forget which..

Russ
 
Walt Frazier said:
Is their a human alive that can beat this guy for the cash??..I doubt it.
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Francisco Bustamante? I think he gave Rodney 5 games on the wire to 21 a few years ago at the Cue Club in Vegas.

The list is pretty short but I'd have to take Orcullo and Yang as well.
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Why? Did Chris play Rodney? If so, it seems like Chris has been doing a lot of bad matching up lately. He got whacked out by I think it was Orcullo at the DCC this year or last, I forget which..

Russ
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Yeah they played..and it was'nt a pretty site(if you're Chris's stakehorse):cool:
 
I don't know.. I mean.. Don't get me wrong.. Rodney is a great player.. But what really decides if you're unbeatable for the money, is to get up and play the big boys..

Has Rodney gotten up and played against Orcullo, Alcano, Reyes, Bustamente lately?

I tell you one thing.. When Shane Van B. got in the box for some jellybeans against Orcullo, even though it was on the barbox, and WON... Well, he impressed the heck outta me.

Again, no offense to Rodney, but playing someone like Bartram is like clubbing baby seals for Rodney. They are not even in the same league.

There used to be a time when the top Americans would jump in the box with ANYBODY.

Sadly.. I believe that time is past..

Russ
 
PoolBum said:
Francisco Bustamante? I think he gave Rodney 5 games on the wire to 21 a few years ago at the Cue Club in Vegas.

The list is pretty short but I'd have to take Orcullo and Yang as well.
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5 games on the wire? ? ?.I find that hard to believe..but because I was'nt there I have no way of knowing if that is fact or fiction.Bustie can play like burnin' hell when he is right.but who on earth would book that match??..they play toooooo close IMO.

Was it even money?..and were you in attendence?..just curious.
 
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Russ Chewning said:
I don't know.. I mean.. Don't get me wrong.. Rodney is a great player.. But what really decides if you're unbeatable for the money, is to get up and play the big boys..

Has Rodney gotten up and played against Orcullo, Alcano, Reyes, Bustamente lately?

I tell you one thing.. When Shane Van B. got in the box for some jellybeans against Orcullo, even though it was on the barbox, and WON... Well, he impressed the heck outta me.

Again, no offense to Rodney, but playing someone like Bartram is like clubbing baby seals for Rodney. They are not even in the same league.

There used to be a time when the top Americans would jump in the box with ANYBODY.

Sadly.. I believe that time is past..

Russ
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You know Russ,you're exactly right."The Big Dogs"(Alcano/Orcullo/Reyes/Bustamante/Yang) I believe are feared by americans..However,I would love to sweat a Cory/Rodney/John S. match against one of these big dogs..I might even do an Earl and yell U.S.A...LOL

Speaking of Earl.He played pretty sporty for the cash way back when.

And as for Efren,no pool player alive or dead has as much of a "fear-factor" associated with him(particularly with american players)..He makes them all look like amatuers and second rate short-stops..prime example,the so-called second best 1 holer in the world Cliff Joyner..

Cliff looks like a timid beginner playing Efren..and so does most americans.
 
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However,I would love to sweat a Cory/Rodney/John S. match against one of these big dogs..I might even do an Earl and yell U.S.A...LOL
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Corey.. Definitely.. Rodney.. Maybe.... John S...Ehhh....Not so sure.. I think he can beat anyone in the world in a tournament, but John against some of the Filipinos? If the table breaks easy, he is a threat.. If the table is breaking tough.. I don't know.. He has definitely brought his kicking game up.. But the Filipinos are just so GOOD at resafing you, and I think John lets his cue ball leak out a little on his kicks..

That's no snipe at John at all.. He kicks EXTREMELY well.. Much better than most Americans, but sadly, not as well as the Filipinos..

Corey, however.. I have been watching a lot of his matches lately.. When he has his head in the match, (which he is MUCH more likely to have if he is gambling, rather than in a tournament match) I truly do think he is at absolute worst EVEN with Alcano, Orcullo, Reyes, etc.. The man just plays those tight tight Diamond tables so freaking well! He can run 4 or 5 racks on a 4 inch Diamond and not blink an eye.

I can understand why he isn't in a rush to play them, just as they are not in a rush to play him.. It's simply not smart.. There are much easier games to be had..

Russ
 
Walt Frazier said:
5 games on the wire? ? ?.I find that hard to believe..but because I was'nt there I have no way of knowing if that is fact or fiction.Bustie can play like burnin' hell when he is right.but who on earth would book that match??..they play toooooo close IMO.

Was it even money?..and were you in attendence?..just curious.
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No, I wasn't in attendance. I could be wrong, but that was what I remembered. I know Busta was giving up games on the wire, and I think it was five. I'm sure someone else on here can confirm or disconfirm.
 
hi

your right the pinoys kick better than me.but for the record i played alcano on a tough diamond in mobile 5ahead for 1000 then 7ahead for 1500.i won the first set then he won the second.the next day we played a race to 11 for 1000 10ball .i caught a serious gear and won 11-1.he quit and we played a total of about 10hours in front of dozens of people.we played even.by the way if orcullo would like to play 10ball,onehole,and 14.1 ill give them a try.that goes for yang also.i was there when rodney played busty a few years back and rodney got the last two.rodney lost 21-19 anyway there a close match and rodney does not play half as much as some of those other guys.anyway my record against pinoys in tourneys and gambling is pretty decent.im not saying im better but people like helfort and chewning seem to think im worse which im not to sure is true.im not going to post about all the times ive gambled against the greatest players including the pinoys but believe me ive done just fine overall with them. when ive been forced to play.
 
john schmidt said:
your right the pinoys kick better than me.but for the record i played alcano on a tough diamond in mobile 5ahead for 1000 then 7ahead for 1500.i won the first set then he won the second.the next day we played a race to 11 for 1000 10ball .i caught a serious gear and won 11-1.he quit and we played a total of about 10hours in front of dozens of people.we played even.by the way if orcullo would like to play 10ball,onehole,and 14.1 ill give them a try.that goes for yang also.i was there when rodney played busty a few years back and rodney got the last two.rodney lost 21-19 anyway there a close match and rodney does not play half as much as some of those other guys.anyway my record against pinoys in tourneys and gambling is pretty decent.im not saying im better but people like helfort and chewning seem to think im worse which im not to sure is true.im not going to post about all the times ive gambled against the greatest players including the pinoys but believe me ive done just fine overall with them. when ive been forced to play.
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Hey hey hey John,

No offense intended, bro. Just going off of what I saw in some matches I've been watching. If you've gambled heads up with Orcullo and broke even/won, then that is definitive.. Good job!

For the record.. Jay is the one that might say you got no chance.. I just said I don't know... I personally haven't seen much of Orcullo, because he hasn't made many Accu-Stats appearances, I am just going off of reputation..

Try not to take it personally, man.. When these guys have to win every day or their family starves, it puts an edge on their game. It's hard for Americans to compete with that. Americans know that the government will never let anyone starve as long as they reach out for help. This makes it hard to play like our lives depend on it.

If you've been bumping heads with the Pinoys and coming out ahead or even, then that's jam up enough for me!!

Russ
 
john schmidt said:
i was there when rodney played busty a few years back and rodney got the last two.rodney lost 21-19 anyway there a close match and rodney does not play half as much as some of those other guys
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Thanks for clarifying. I thought I remembered that Rodney got games on the wire, but I must have misremembered. I did remember the score correctly, and 21-19 with the last two is actually still pretty impressive.
 
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PoolBum said:
Thanks for clarifying. I thought I remembered that Rodney got games on the wire, but I must have misremembered. I did remember the score correctly, and 21-19 with the last two is actually still pretty impressive.
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The last two is basically worthless between superpros. I would assume it would have been offered to Rodney to basically force him to accept the challenge, as how could be possibly refuse to play when getting a spot?

I'd be surprised if the last two was worth more than 1 game in a race to 21.

Russ
 
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hi

no offense taken russ and you bring up a great point ,i dont kick as good as them which makes a huge difference.bobby hunter and i talked about it the other day.he said although they would still be super tough he though my chances would be better playing rollout 9ball because there is no kicking.at any rate they are great players and im happy to be considred in there league .im not woofing to play them rollout but i think it would be better than plaYING THEM ONEFOUL.the one thing that i want to mention though is people say they are so much better than the top us guys at pool.but i dont think they are better at pool just one form of pool.if the pinoys played 14.1 all the time they would not play it better than i do.instead of learning how to run hundreds i should have learned to kick better,my bad.in closing no offense and i agree with you russ that the difference in my game and theres is the kicking which will probably not change anytime soon.bye for now john
 
Rodney and Dennis were supposed to match up at the cue club this past saturday. Both showed up as well as some other big hitters, but when negotiating time came around nothing happened. From what I understand they agreed to play 8 ahead for 5 or 10k, but Rodney changed it later saying he wanted to play a race to 21 with 2 on the wire for 20 or 25k. I don't know if he was just trying to high ball him becuase he knew he didn't have that much with his backers or what, but they didn't match up becuase of that. It was kinda dissapointing, but what are you gonna do.
 
john schmidt said:
no offense taken russ and you bring up a great point ,i dont kick as good as them which makes a huge difference.bobby hunter and i talked about it the other day.he said although they would still be super tough he though my chances would be better playing rollout 9ball because there is no kicking.at any rate they are great players and im happy to be considred in there league .im not woofing to play them rollout but i think it would be better than plaYING THEM ONEFOUL.the one thing that i want to mention though is people say they are so much better than the top us guys at pool.but i dont think they are better at pool just one form of pool.if the pinoys played 14.1 all the time they would not play it better than i do.instead of learning how to run hundreds i should have learned to kick better,my bad.in closing no offense and i agree with you russ that the difference in my game and theres is the kicking which will probably not change anytime soon.bye for now john
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its just good to see you out there in action-and doing well.
 
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The last 2 or even the 8 ball is not a legitimate spot at that level, are you kidding me? The only chance might be a carom shot, 1 probably, during the whole match. If a player at that level can not get out with 2 balls on the table, or get from the 8 to the 9, he should not be playing anyway.

Games on the wire is a legitimate spot.
 
john schmidt said:
your right the pinoys kick better than me.but for the record i played alcano on a tough diamond in mobile 5ahead for 1000 then 7ahead for 1500.i won the first set then he won the second.the next day we played a race to 11 for 1000 10ball .i caught a serious gear and won 11-1.he quit and we played a total of about 10hours in front of dozens of people.we played even.by the way if orcullo would like to play 10ball,onehole,and 14.1 ill give them a try.that goes for yang also.i was there when rodney played busty a few years back and rodney got the last two.rodney lost 21-19 anyway there a close match and rodney does not play half as much as some of those other guys.anyway my record against pinoys in tourneys and gambling is pretty decent.im not saying im better but people like helfort and chewning seem to think im worse which im not to sure is true.im not going to post about all the times ive gambled against the greatest players including the pinoys but believe me ive done just fine overall with them. when ive been forced to play.
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That sounds more like it (the last 2 ..losing 21-19) that is a HUGE difference than the spot afore mentioned..The last 2 with guys that speed means virtually nothing..Thanks for clearing that up john..Btw,I put you in the Corey/Rodney group because I feel like you have a legitimate chance with the pinoys and by your post John..I know I am correct.

Thanks.
 
Back to the Rodney Morris part of the thread. Back in the year he won the US Open, he came through Raleigh. In our local tournaments, he was pulling off being ranked a "7." It is ranked 2-8, with Johnny and Coltrain were tens. I was ranked an eight, and was spotting him a game going to seven. Noone knew who he was and our heavy hitters were out of town. This guy laid it down so well, beating me in the last game with a kick safe for ESPN highlight, that I was woofing at him to play. He ended up with different action, and took it off pretty easily. A short while later, I pick up Billiards Digest and there that f$%&er was. Thank God I didn't match up with him even as I had offered, when I needed the world. I see him now and have to laugh.
 
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