If you're going to gamble that shot at least bet it right and not like a nit. If he says its a low percentage shot, ask him what percentage. If he says its a 10% shot, bet him 10-1 on the money, if its a 20%, then 5-1. You're asking him to put up even money on a low percentage shot. That's not a very fair bet.
Roll or Low Pecentage Shot
- Thread starter Rak9up
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I agree with the original poster. Making a low percentage shot is luck. It may also be a good shot but it is still a lucky shot. Especially if it is the other guy that made it. Guess it all depends on your point of view. If you are the one making the shot it is a good shot. If you are the one that gets beat because of the shot it is luck. You have to be lucky to make the shot if it is a below 50% shot.
BTW Good players have more good luck than bad players. Just look at Efren, he is the luckiest player around.
BTW Good players have more good luck than bad players. Just look at Efren, he is the luckiest player around.
I would define getting a "roll" as failing to execute the shot you intended, but still achieving a favorable result. Naturally, when you do this it's a good roll and when your opponent does it's a bad roll.
If your friend really is a good player, than he probably wasn't just trying to hit the ball. Either he was trying to get safe or he was shooting for the pocket. If he shot for the pocket and made it then it's a good shot. If it's a low % shot for that player then yes, you could say he was lucky to make it, but you can't say he got a roll. He chose a shot, he committed to it, and that particular time he executed it well.
You can't do anything about what happens when your opponent is at the table. Don't let it get to you. Focus on your game and what you can do when it's your turn at the table.
If your friend really is a good player, than he probably wasn't just trying to hit the ball. Either he was trying to get safe or he was shooting for the pocket. If he shot for the pocket and made it then it's a good shot. If it's a low % shot for that player then yes, you could say he was lucky to make it, but you can't say he got a roll. He chose a shot, he committed to it, and that particular time he executed it well.
You can't do anything about what happens when your opponent is at the table. Don't let it get to you. Focus on your game and what you can do when it's your turn at the table.
If playing a low percentage shot leads to a run-out it's worth the risk some times. Especially, if missing the shot, doesn't lead to your opponent running out. They are known in the business as calculated risks.
Thanks again for the inputs
I was just seeing how other players viewed the term a "roll"
I had always viewed it as simply a billiard term for "lucky"
So when you make the statment "He got a roll" your just saying "he got lucky"
So if someone makes a "10% low percentage shot" he'll need to get a far better "roll" to make it or or simply he'll need a little more luck to make it.
Sure a tremendous amount of skill went into seeing it and lining it up to try it.
The amount of skill a person has raises those shot percentages and reduces that luck factor and skill is derived from practice.
I see some people say it depends on what the player intended to make
for me intent has nothing to do with it
Everytime I buy a lottery ticket I intend to win, but I realize I will need to get a "roll" for it to actually happen
So again back to the title
When a palyer makes a 10% shot Is it a great shot for the amount of skill it took to see it and try it or is it a roll because its a 10% shot
I was just seeing how other players viewed the term a "roll"
I had always viewed it as simply a billiard term for "lucky"
So when you make the statment "He got a roll" your just saying "he got lucky"
So if someone makes a "10% low percentage shot" he'll need to get a far better "roll" to make it or or simply he'll need a little more luck to make it.
Sure a tremendous amount of skill went into seeing it and lining it up to try it.
The amount of skill a person has raises those shot percentages and reduces that luck factor and skill is derived from practice.
I see some people say it depends on what the player intended to make
for me intent has nothing to do with it
Everytime I buy a lottery ticket I intend to win, but I realize I will need to get a "roll" for it to actually happen
So again back to the title
When a palyer makes a 10% shot Is it a great shot for the amount of skill it took to see it and try it or is it a roll because its a 10% shot
Personally, I think of players who b!tch about "luck" as being mentally weak, and skill levels between us being equal, they are people I want to gamble with.
Mentally weak players can hang in there for an hour or two with a player as strong as them, but let the other player get a few "rolls" in a row, and then the mentally wweak player will go off like a rocket and lose all his cash.
I have never in my life played a player who beat me simply by being "lucky". I either shot bad, they shot good, or I matched up on a table that allowed a lesser player to beat me (super loose, etc..).
Russ
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This sums up my sentiments.
I'll add that even though your opponent might have intended this shot to go, it doesn't make it a higher percentage shot or the right play.
Eric