To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Lucky is as lucky does." I can just see his face when someone who didn't see the match coming up and asking him who his next match was... ( cough )
Roll-out ( 2 fouls, ball in hand )
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To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Lucky is as lucky does." I can just see his face when someone who didn't see the match coming up and asking him who his next match was... ( cough )
Completely agree but the haters ain't here yet. This has been argued here for years and years now. I seem to see a lot more people agreeing with push out rules than before here lately though. It'll never come back. You have to THINK playing that game and people don't like that.
The problem is, I think, the over-riding majority of players today have never heard of roll out, let alone seen it enough to be given a fair opportunity to decide for themselves whether they would like it or not. Like that one person earlier who said it sounded like some gaff bar rules to him. Back in the 40s and 50s, lots of people went for "Sunday drives". It was a time-honored cultural tradition. Nowadays, if you ask someone to go for a drive on a Sunday, the response you'll probably get will be some variation of "Nah, thanks... but if you're going to 7-11, pick me up two packs of Pall Malls and a Haagen Dazs bar.". Sooooo... out of sight, out of mind.
I wanna shoot spot shots!!!
There is something captivating and addicting about playing push-out by the game, pay after every game. It just made me want to play and never want to quit.
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And there is ANOTHER pet peeve of mine! :grin: It seems nobody EVER plays by the game anymore. It's always sets, mostly races, but some "5" ahead ( or 4, or 3, etc ) as well. I used to LOVE playing by the game. You don't need to convince anyone to post up and the most you'll ever get stiffed is one game!
That is the way I grew up playing.
It was way more exciting and entertaining before the one-foul BIH rules came about.
Amen, sir... amen.
1 foul was actually'invented' around 1970 by the Jansco brothers and Bill Staton aka Weenie Bennie. Both wanted to speed up 9 ball for tourney play. The problem with pushout was , unlike in gambling, players played pushout differently in tourneys. One would pushout, the other would play safe untill someone got a shot they liked. This could go on for quite a while.In gamblin, you saw very few safties in pushout ( of course there were/are always 'nits' in pool. It was because of nits that the rules of pushout got changed from 2 consecutive fouls by the same player too whoever fouled on the 2nd consecutive foul gave up ball in hand.I played in the biggest action room in the country ( except for Detroit at times ) , Weenie Beenies in Arlington from 1969-1979. The action died and it closed in 1980. I never saw anyone gamble at 1 foul there or anywhere I went on the road. The BCA rule book had 2 sets of 9 ball rules, 1 for tourneys-1 foul. and 1 for regular 9 ball-pushout. TexasExpress just made it dumber and dumber.Ohh,and jump shots were a foul in pushout , at least up to 1979.
Playing by the game is a bad idea today. If you get stuck from jump-street today, you're lucky to get even, much less win anything. I see it every day in 1-hole. Very few players today play till they're broke...it was BROAK! in my day. Races have always been a bad way to bet your cash. You can play 3 raxes, be up in games won, and down in cash! yea lets do that!
PushOut forever!
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If you want to DUCK, play 1-hole, you can DUCK every shot!!
Playing by the game is a bad idea today. If you get stuck from jump-street today, you're lucky to get even, much less win anything. I see it every day in 1-hole. Very few players today play till they're broke...it was BROAK! in my day. Races have always been a bad way to bet your cash. You can play 3 raxes, be up in games won, and down in cash! yea lets do that!
PushOut forever!
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If you want to DUCK, play 1-hole, you can DUCK every shot!!
"Whoever fouled on the 2nd consec. foul" Could ya explain a little more. Not sure what you mean here. Thanks
Probably not... it died out pretty much before people started video-taping matches. That said, I'm sure someone somewhere has video/film of RO being played.
I guarantee you this, though... looking at your avatar here, I promise you Earl grew up playing RO. Everyone who learned 9 ball prior to @ 75 or so played RO.
How about this..... video a couple of games
with another player using these rules. Show the various situations that can come up. Post it for us to watch. Maybe watching it will change my mind about it. I'm just going by your description. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but a video is worth a million!
You are right. I have never seen the game
played by these rules. But willing to evaluate
it for myself.
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Even better just play it yourself and figure it out as you go. If you get stuck, ask a question on here. Someone will answer it. I think you'll like it.
We have been through this discussion at least once before and I still think it is ridiculous that an incoming player should be able to punt at any time.
If you can't figure out what to do with the balls when you get there, maybe you should take up 14.1.
Any ball/ any pocket...how hard can it be?:duck:
If you can't figure out what to do with the balls when you get there, maybe you should take up 14.1.
Any ball/ any pocket...how hard can it be?:duck:
A few basics(Tulsa version): If you're hooked, you can roll out. Incoming player can shoot or pass. If he passes and you foul again its BIH. All balls spot. On scratches, its behind the line(unless its a second foul). If next ball is in kitchen, it spots. Incoming player can make scratcher shoot again. We always played NO two straight pushes. If i pushed out, opponent either shoots it or passes and i shoot it. Other places had small variations but that's how we did it. One major variation with scratches: In this version the only ball that spots is ball(any ball) before the 9. On a scratch, if next ball was in kitchen it would go down and you'd shoot next highest ball laying outside the kitchen. This could be brutal if say the 2,3,4,5 were behind the line and 6 was outside. Those four balls go down and you shoot the six.
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I see it this way too. But, I also think it’s a mindset thing and would love to be proved wrong the other way.
Seems like pool players aren’t happy with pool. They want to play roll out, they want to wire the rack, they want to run out, they want the winner to break so someone has to “sit in his chair” while engaged in a drawn out tactical battle that is over quickly while modern players are taking forever knocking the balls down.
You guys can knock it all you want. Have you ever played it that way? 2shot was how 9ball was always played prior to some tournament organizers needed to speed up matches. The ONLY reason one-foul exits is for that reason, to speed up matches. It was NOT done in an effort to improve the game itself, just the speed of it. I personally think that the current one-foul, jump/kick/luck-fest is a joke.
Not knocking it at all. As I said, I’d like to be proved wrong.
I have played it a lot and will agree that at the mid-lower skill levels, 9b is a funny game.
At moderate to upper levels, the difference between 1foul/ pushout is virtually nil...except in one, if you don't have the skill to shoot what you get, you aren't gonna like it.