No offense to Drago, but I would not call him a recognised champion. I believe he has yet to win a snooker ranking event in his career.
Ronnie O'Sullivan to play pool this year
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There are certainly a number of UK pool players who have come from a Snooker background and are doing well in Europe.
Imran Majid made it to the final stages of the Philippine Open and also the World Championships last year. Raj Hundal won the World Pool Masters this year, and a fair few others have placed well in the Euro Tour.
It all depends on expenses and sponsorship really for these guys, if they get this backing, they could certainly fair well on the World stage.
Imran Majid made it to the final stages of the Philippine Open and also the World Championships last year. Raj Hundal won the World Pool Masters this year, and a fair few others have placed well in the Euro Tour.
It all depends on expenses and sponsorship really for these guys, if they get this backing, they could certainly fair well on the World stage.
This is what Drago has done:-
2004 European Open Semi final
2003 UK Championship Last 32
2003 British Open Last 16
1991, 1995 World Professional Championship quarter-finalist
1996 Guangzhou Masters Winner
1992 World Matchplay champion
1991 British Open runner-up
1992 Scottish Masters runner-up
1990 Dubai Classic semi-finalist
1989 Hong Kong Open semi-finalist
1989 Asian Open semi-finalist
1989 UK Championship semi-finalist
2004 European Open Semi final
2003 UK Championship Last 32
2003 British Open Last 16
1991, 1995 World Professional Championship quarter-finalist
1996 Guangzhou Masters Winner
1992 World Matchplay champion
1991 British Open runner-up
1992 Scottish Masters runner-up
1990 Dubai Classic semi-finalist
1989 Hong Kong Open semi-finalist
1989 Asian Open semi-finalist
1989 UK Championship semi-finalist
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I have played on only a handful of full-size snooker tables in the US. I can tell you that not one had pockets anywhere near as large as the dozens I've played on in Europe. And I'm not counting Big Bertha, the tricked up Hard Times table.TheOne said:
And as others have noted, on TV, you see balls rattle and fall, and balls touching the cushion and still falling. I've never seen that on any full-size snooker table in America. I'm sure they exist, but I've never seen one in America.
That being said, there are 5x10 American snooker tables spread across the USA, most with K66 nose cushions. These are not the snooker tables that I'm talking about.
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14.1player said:
Questions for you guys. Does Drago play more snooker or more pool? He's been mentioned alot, but I also didn't think he had won any significant snooker titles. That is, is he a snooker player or a pool player? His big stroke leads me to believe that he was born to play pool.
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TheOne said:
The Carousel turns yet again. Didn't your second statement get disproven with the Darryl Peach article? Doesn't Efren count as a player that has hardly played snooker?
Fred
I asked Daryl about this and he responded:-
"Hi fellas, well i defo watch Efren beat Jimmy and made 2 centuries.....and heard that later (after i had gone) he beat Ronnie and made 1 century....all with his pool cue.
But to be fair to the snooker players, the table was not anything like what they are used to.....it had wool for cloth, and the pockets were very big for a snooker table....but then again you cant take anything away from Efren!"
I am sure Efren would be quite adept at Snooker, but it appears as though the table they played on wasn't a "proper" table. I am sure Efren would play Snooker pretty good though and could possibly make some sizeable breaks on a good table. Over a long race, I really doubt he could cope with Jimmy, Ronnie or any other top player.
"Hi fellas, well i defo watch Efren beat Jimmy and made 2 centuries.....and heard that later (after i had gone) he beat Ronnie and made 1 century....all with his pool cue.
But to be fair to the snooker players, the table was not anything like what they are used to.....it had wool for cloth, and the pockets were very big for a snooker table....but then again you cant take anything away from Efren!"
I am sure Efren would be quite adept at Snooker, but it appears as though the table they played on wasn't a "proper" table. I am sure Efren would play Snooker pretty good though and could possibly make some sizeable breaks on a good table. Over a long race, I really doubt he could cope with Jimmy, Ronnie or any other top player.
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14.1player said:
Then call him recognized World Class. Top 20 player.
John
Drago isn't a bad player, he has made a 149 break after all lol.
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Buckster_uk said:
So in other words, all of the participants weren't used to the equipment, and Efren won. So, your conclusion is that Efren couldn't cope with Jimmy or Ronnie on "proper equipment." I'm confused.
If the pockets were bigger, were there reports of how many century breaks Jimmy or Ronnie had on that occassion? Aren't the bigger pockets and the adaptability to said pockets part of the "snooker players can adapt easier" argument? Or are you readily admitting that apart from table specifications, that getting used to the game and its nuances plays an important role (which is what I've been saying forever).
People point to Drago's great WPC performance, yet those were some of the sloppiest pockets I've ever seen. Does his performance get discounted since we're obviously discounting Efren's performance on bigger snooker pockets?
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I am just saying that this wasn't a proper Snooker table, so you cannot judge how Efren would fair on a proper Snooker table. I have no idea on where this was played, so who knows how much effort either player would of been putting in.
It is obvious people have different views of this subject, we will just have to wait and see how Ronnie does when he starts to play over there.
Maybe we should have an exchange, you can get Ronnie and we can have Johnny, and see how each other does
It is obvious people have different views of this subject, we will just have to wait and see how Ronnie does when he starts to play over there.
Maybe we should have an exchange, you can get Ronnie and we can have Johnny, and see how each other does
Buckster_uk said:
Well, so they weren't actually playing snooker
It seems Efren beat Jimmy White and (allegedly) Ronnie O' Sullivan for the grand sum of 100 pounds
in a race to 3 I once defeated Efren and Johnny on Virtual Pool 3 on my computer! Efren was using his pool keyboard!
I bet my ass that if Jimmy and Ronnie had to they could be running centuries on those pockets till the cows come home.
Fred Agnir said:
Hey Fred, I think you'll find:
a) Efren wasn't a complete snooker novice, he played it quite a bit in the phillipines (hence my disclaimer!) and...
b) I was talking about a serious match in tournament conditions.
Efren himself has said he couldn't compete I beleive, and from what I can tell he goes where the money is. If he was that good he wouldn't have gone to America and used a false name he would have been jetting into England and cleaning up!
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Would anyone reading this care to bet $20,000 US Dollars putting the #81 snooker player in the box at a race to seven in snooker and a race to seven in one-pocket against Efren? If they split then they play a 3 cushion race to 45 points to determine the winner.
The loser picks up all the expenses for the set up of the match, flights, hotels, venues and so on. All expenses will be split evenly until the match is decided. We will put $30,000 in escrow should anyone care to accept this challenge. That's 20 for the bet and 10 for expenses. Efren has also not been contacted about this so we reserve the right to nominate any other "pool" player for the challenge. Any snooker player ranked 70 to 82 on the "main" tour as shown by http://www.worldsnooker.com/players_rankings.htm can get this bet.
Any takers?
John
The loser picks up all the expenses for the set up of the match, flights, hotels, venues and so on. All expenses will be split evenly until the match is decided. We will put $30,000 in escrow should anyone care to accept this challenge. That's 20 for the bet and 10 for expenses. Efren has also not been contacted about this so we reserve the right to nominate any other "pool" player for the challenge. Any snooker player ranked 70 to 82 on the "main" tour as shown by http://www.worldsnooker.com/players_rankings.htm can get this bet.
Any takers?
John
Efren would be 1/14 on to win that challenge, I don't think there's a single 3C table in the UK.onepocketchump said:
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onepocketchump
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No, it's not that. One pocket requires more strategy than 9-ball and has less luck. I know many players in the United States who have a very, very good chance to beat Efren in one race to 9 in nine ball but have no chance to win in one pocket. So one pocket is more akin to snooker in that it requires a higher degree of all around skill. You are saying that no pool player would crack the top 128 in a tournament where the top 128 snooker players are playing. So the #70-82 ought to be able to clean Efren's clock in Snooker and have an even chance in One Pocket considering their far superior skill. 3-Cushion is the tie-breaker since it is neither Snooker nor Pool. Let's see how quickly both players adapt.
Oh, wait, Efren has also been known to play 3-cushion at a nearly pro level. Damn, maybe that's a lock bet.......but, wait the Snooker player is obviously the superior cueist so he ought to be able to defeat Efren in any game, right?
Ok, I'll adjust the bet. Ten races to five in Snooker and ten races to five in One Pocket for $1000 per set. That should be long enough for both players to show their skills with no excuses. I will personally bet another $3000 of my own money that Efren will win at least half of the snooker matches.
John
Oh, wait, Efren has also been known to play 3-cushion at a nearly pro level. Damn, maybe that's a lock bet.......but, wait the Snooker player is obviously the superior cueist so he ought to be able to defeat Efren in any game, right?
Ok, I'll adjust the bet. Ten races to five in Snooker and ten races to five in One Pocket for $1000 per set. That should be long enough for both players to show their skills with no excuses. I will personally bet another $3000 of my own money that Efren will win at least half of the snooker matches.
John
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onepocketchump
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I don't know what I am going on about. I am tired of the debate all the time. Just bring the best Snooker players you all can get a hold of to Derby City in January. They can get played in nine-ball, banks and one pocket for a LOT of money. Don't give me any bullshit about how much money Snooker players make either. The results and listings of money won make it clear that only the very top in Snooker is making good money. And even they have to respect playing a set for $10-20,000. So any half-decent snooker player can make a $100,000 payday if they can come over here in January and beat the best players in any number of silly pool games.
We have straight pool players, 9-ball players, bank-pool players, and one-pocket specialists. No one is barred from playing.
Just bring them on, bring a busload. One thing the Americans have is plenty of money to gamble with and Derby City is the place to do it. Every single Snooker player that comes here WILL get played.
John
We have straight pool players, 9-ball players, bank-pool players, and one-pocket specialists. No one is barred from playing.
Just bring them on, bring a busload. One thing the Americans have is plenty of money to gamble with and Derby City is the place to do it. Every single Snooker player that comes here WILL get played.
John
Well, I hope we at least see Ronnie there.onepocketchump said: