Ronnie O'Sullivan

Gromulan - LOL you are a trip. I man not agree with everythging you say but I like the way you say it. =)~
 
gromulan said:
Sounds interesting, but 100K is just a little bit more than I actually have. What are you going to do, call Ronnie on his cell and get him to fly over? (Tell him when you talk to him that I saw him cough off that match to JH and that he's a wank.)



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What Kelly Fisher knows about nine ball you could write on the head of a pin and still leave room for the Lord's prayer. Efren could give Ronnie the six and the last four and not even break a sweat.
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You are completely off your gourd. As a matter of fact we do have access to Ronnie and if you want to get the bet right I can get him to come here and take the six and the last four from Efren. As much as I revere Efren there is NO WAY ON EARTH that he beats Ronnie O' Sullivan giving up that weight.

As for what Kelly Fisher knows about 9 Ball; since you offered to give Ronnie the 7 and you completely dismiss Kelly as a player I will make you this offer: You can give her the five out and the breaks for 10 dimes or more if you can afford it. I bet a million that you won't do it. God it is SO EASY to be an internet nit when you don't actually have to BET SOMETHING. You just tell me where and when and if it doesn't conflict with Kelly's schedule we'll be there to play with that spot. Every set you lose we'll give up a ball up to and including giving you weight until you finally win a set.

John Barton - not hiding behind a fake name.
 
gromulan said:
It's impossibly difficult for both sides. There are simply too many good players who know each game inside out for any newcomer to have much of a chance. It's possible in the ladies' game because the fields are so thin and the standard is quite a bit lower. In the men's game it's far different animal, though, with such talent bases on both sides of the Atlantic who knows, it may happen one day.

If Ronnie or any top snooker player like Hendry or Higgins had grown up playing games like nine ball or one pocket in the US, against the top competition, then I have no doubt that they would be top players here as well. They simply have too much talent. The same goes in the reverse, if Archer or Strickland or Buddy Hall had grown up in the UK they would be top snooker players.

For either transition, it would take several years of development. I actually feel like the pool players would have a better chance because their overall billiard knowledge is much greater than the average snooker player's and because they would not have the handicap of having to develop a huge break.
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I disagree (surprise). Corey Duell is living proof that a "monster break" is not all there is to winning nine ball events. Steve Davis, arguably past his prime in Snooker still manages to beat top pool pros in long and short sets. Never in the history of Snooker has any non-snooker player ever reached any place of signifigance in any major snooker event yet there are plenty of examples of snooker players who have dabbled in nine ball events with great success. Ronnie's recent 2nd place, Alex Higgin's World Pool Master's showing, Davis' top 16 at the world championships, hell even Manalo's success owes itself to a background in Snooker as opposed to pool.

I have argued that given the opportunity, such as a proper coach and the time to devote exclusively to snooker, that a top nine baller like Johnny Archer could probably become a top snooker player. I firmly believe that a champion is a champion is a champion. I don't believe however that one can transition from 9-ball to snooker nearly as easily as the transition from snooker to nine ball. And this comes from having experienced both discipline first hand throughout my 10 years of living in Germany.

John
 
9 ball said:
I am telling you folks watch out for him when he plays in the next ipt tournament because he will be dangerous
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saw him in London, he is a monster
 
onepocketchump said:
A lot of what you say is true Mark. Let me ask you this since you are probably the greatest player, and I mean that in the absolute world class speed sense, who posts here in the main forum regularly (and Keither of course). Do you think that there is any American player who could go to England and seriously challenge the Snooker circuit? If so, what would it take for them to do so? Is it easier for the Snooker pros to come here and win than it is for the pool pros to go there and win?

Also, you are right that the balls and cloth are different. What isn't different however is the physics. Ronnie plays snooker like he's playing nine ball. He doesn't shoot all his shots with no spin. He spins his rock for position just like nine-ball players do it. It's amazing to watch. And if he shoots all the balls in the corner pockets just remember that most of those shots are four feet or better into tough pockets that reject anything that touches the cushion on the way in.

John
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ok well heres my 1 cents worth it depends on the pro player. i mean i watched snooker and i dont think its all that difficult cause there is not a whole lot to it . the thing that an american player would have to adjust to is smaller balls and because of the smaller balls a totaly different stick. but not table size cause thats automatic if thats all you play on.

i used to play a guy every weekend for years playing golf and we would play from friday night to sunday morning and i would come out ahead 25 to 50 games much of the time cause after a while i would just run from the 2 hole and out countless times . so i have some clue as what im saying. and i would play other guys six ball and sometime 9ball 2 dollars per ball or more. and it was no different than 9ball.

but we played with regular balls. i have played with snooker balls before payball hardtimes big bertha for example for years now that was and still is the tightest table on earth . (and i did make my mark there) and what makes it worse is the fast simones cloth. now playing with small balls without a snooker cue can be very difficult because talk about deflection with side english man its brutal.

dennis who won the eight ball is not a fair example because the balls are the same size and same stick only difference is table and easy eightball on bar table . as far as pool knowlege goes yes i think someone like efren will dominate cause he knows much more about cue games that this snooker champion will EVER KNOW . but it may not help him much in snooker cause the game is played only one way and once you get to where the red balls are you may never see the other end of the table till the reds are gone . also getting around the table is much easyer cause the balls are much lighter like draw for instance with a light 10mill tip or so. so then i would take efren to beat him if they change the balls to our size and to me thats the ball size is the only difference .:)
 
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tbh, i think we should just cut the craps and end the thread, there is no point arguing about how he would do in the following tournaments since it wont really bother any of the ppl here. (maybe except mark, if he meets ronnie in the tour.)

either you repect him or underestimate him, it is just a matter of your personal exp and preference with pool and snooker. and no one will know how well he will do, only time tells.

so, just watch out and see how he does, and i think he wont use snooker cues to play it.
from what i know (JP - john parris has made pool cues for steve, tony drago, and ronnie out of a snooker cue style, but with maple)

but i reckon he does need to practice on breaks, and some mental work, but thats it.
 
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onepocketchump said:
I don't need to check. Would you be willing to give Ronnie the 7 in a race to 21 for $100,000?

By the way I have seen Torbjorn Blomdahl ply 9-ball. He used to play down the road from me when I lived in Germany.

I don't know who you are but I would be willing to bet millions that you won't put up your own money trying to give Ronnie the 7 ball.

I guarantee you that Darren Appleton, Raj Hundal, Daryl Peach and NONE of the UK 9-Ballers want to give Ronnie the 7 or ANY WEIGHT if they are going to have to play on their own money.

Any fool can throw away a backer's money. Let's see what you or any other player will do with your own money and THEN we can see how confident you are in your statements.

I play with Kelly Fisher and she is one of the greatest players alive. She echoes most everyone's sentiments here that Ronnie O'Sullivan is inhuman when it comes to pocket billiards. Kelly's opinion of a player's speed is something you can take to the bank.

John
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I've never seen Kelly play. Is she up there on Allison and Karen's level? If so, does she play in alot of the tournaments they do, and how does she do?
 
Ronnie uses a Z shaft for playing and Predator BK for breaking.

Potting and positional play will be ok for him, tactical play and runouts for 8 ball will be the only issue he has on the IPT (those who know 8 ball really well will know what I mean).

He beat Gerda 2-0 at the London IPT press conference, playing left handed (he normally plays right handed).
 
I've watched Ronnie play some pool live, and I was disappointed. He clearly has to work on his pool-game if he's to become a force in the IPT. His break particularly was (early this year) pretty weak, and his cueball was no more than average. However, I've watched Ronnie play snooker on the telly for dozens of hours being flabbergasted by his enormous talents and it can only be a matter of time before he can adept his shotmaking skills. Whether or not you can quickly develop a powerful break is another matter. I posted some vids of Ronnie playing pool a while back if anyone's interested, nothing too fancy though. If he would have played a world beater at that time (he did, lost to Immonen) I would have made a 5-1 outsider in a race to 9.

gr. Dave
 
cuetechasaurus said:
I've never seen Kelly play. Is she up there on Allison and Karen's level? If so, does she play in alot of the tournaments they do, and how does she do?
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She will be if she isn't quite yet. If we're going to talk about the three greatest female snooker players, she's one of them. A champion is a champion. And she, like Karen, has shown that she is willing to do what it takes to become THE champion in American pool as well.

Fred
 
Double-Dave said:
I've watched Ronnie play some pool live, and I was disappointed. He clearly has to work on his pool-game if he's to become a force in the IPT. His break particularly was (early this year) pretty weak, and his cueball was no more than average. However, I've watched Ronnie play snooker on the telly for dozens of hours being flabbergasted by his enormous talents and it can only be a matter of time before he can adept his shotmaking skills. Whether or not you can quickly develop a powerful break is another matter. I posted some vids of Ronnie playing pool a while back if anyone's interested, nothing too fancy though. If he would have played a world beater at that time (he did, lost to Immonen) I would have made a 5-1 outsider in a race to 9.

gr. Dave
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BINGO!! This is the case with almost all snooker players who make the switch.
 
Double-Dave said:
I posted some vids of Ronnie playing pool a while back if anyone's interested, nothing too fancy though.
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Dave,

Do you still have these or a link to them? I would love to see them.

Thanks in advance.
 
Cornerman said:
She will be if she isn't quite yet. If we're going to talk about the three greatest female snooker players, she's one of them. A champion is a champion. And she, like Karen, has shown that she is willing to do what it takes to become THE champion in American pool as well.

Fred
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That's what I'm thinking if she keeps on gambling like I hear she does. I don't ever hear of any other top female players that gamble, so this might be the edge that Kelly needs to be the best. I still have no idea how she plays, but I have never heard of Allison or Karen gambling.
 
Too complicated. I couldn't open the files with either Real Player or Windows Media Player. Gosh, I really wanted to see it. Why can't anything be easy?
 
Not working yet, but I think Double-Dave will post a youtube.com link. That'll be nice. Thanks, DD.
 
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