Ronnie O'Sullivan

[Pfnatic]

I did not IS easier.

I said MIGHT be easier.

And this was in response to someone saying O'Sullivan said it wasn't much of an accomplishment.

How does black only have half a pocket? Or do you mean all the pockets are available to the other colors and not black. I would say that this is reasonable. Black is restricted from it's spot for sure and also being in the proximity of the reds makes it likely to be blocked.

However as I mentioned sometimes it's possibly easier to maintain control around the pack rather than to let the cue ball go up and down and around the table. But apparently I am wrong and it's harder to keep the cue ball in a smaller area and easier to allow it to go all around the table.

Ok, let me simplify. You are right in saying that it is easier to build a break around the higher colors (black and pink) than having to keep going up the table for the other colors (blue, brown, green, yellow). That's how most snooker players build breaks and make centuries. But, here is what you are missing- It is NOT easy to stay on the black for every single red you make. One wrong position on a red and you have to change your plan to take some other color. Add to that the complexity involved in nudging reds here and there to develop them while still maintaining the correct angle to go down for the black on every shot. Not to mention a little bit of luck involved when you split the pack of reds.

Competitive Stats for Ronnie
Centuries: 726
147s: 12

 

[TheThaiger]

I feel I must leave this debate for a while and go away and rub my chin furiously..

Well, you've certainly been rubbing something.

Can you explain this quote then please? You appear to be implying there is no pressure on a maximum. My apologises for implying you said it was a 'free roll' when the frame is over, when you clearly said something soooo different.

A 147 is meaningless achievement in terms of match play. Once a frame is won then the pressure is right off the player. In fact, top professionals will not even be thinking about a 147 or a century UNTIL the frame is won. It is only at the point that the frame is won and they realise that they have taken all blacks with the reds they start to consider the next bit.

A 147 therefore has no comparison in pool because it is a completely risk free bet for the player attempting it.

 

[shinobi]

It's easy to say there is no pressure because the frame was won, but I don't agree at all. First of all, many of the 147 breaks on Youtube WERE done with the cash prize of 147,000 pounds (and often a "high break bonus" on top of that). Even when the prize money is much smaller (or zero), the prestige of making a 147 is enough.

If someone were competing in a crowd-viewed, televised 14.1 high run tournament, and had already won (had the highest run among all competitors) but was still at the table... and they happened to get close enough to Mosconi's record to have a legitimate shot at taking it, imagine the pressure building as every ball entered the pocket. Cash prize or not. Throw in a couple of extremely difficult shots en route to the record.

Add to that the tight, unforgiving snooker-cut pockets and I don't know how anyone can discount the incredible achievement of any 147.

 

[Slasher]

Add to that the tight, unforgiving snooker-cut pockets and I don't know how anyone can discount the incredible achievement of any 147.

It's easy bud this is AZ mister they could find negative in a free whorehouse with an open bar lololol

 

[Mike Porter]

To say that there isn’t pressure on achieving a 147 is completely wrong. Yes after a certain stage, the frame has been won, but you still have a perfect game at stake. I would think that anytime a perfect performance can be achieved, there is pressure. When a player has the opportunity of a 147, the pressure actually increases in the later stages. The less reds (or balls) on the table, the more accurate your positioning must become.
As far as the pressure goes, check out this video. O’Sullivan puts himself under the gun, from almost the get go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQZUJehTV4
I know this is not a 147, but I rate this to be one of the best clearances I’ve seen by RO or anyone for that matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks1X5SNl2E8
Mike

 

[Scaramouche]

A 147 is meaningless achievement in terms of match play. Once a frame is won then the pressure is right off the player. In fact, top professionals will not even be thinking about a 147 or a century UNTIL the frame is won. It is only at the point that the frame is won and they realise that they have taken all blacks with the reds they start to consider the next bit.

Not familiar with the history of the game, are you? :grin: :tongue:

2011 final of the World Championship, Judd Trump vs John Higgins
Trump ran off a few reds and blacks, got out of position on the black, but tried for the difficult black instead of the easy blue. Missed. He lost the championship by three frames. Not trying for the 147 would probably have reduced the difference to 1, and it was a match that Trump should have won.

A few 147s ago, Ronnie potted a red, asked the referee what the prize was for a 147, and was told that there wasn't one, only the prize for the high break.
Ronnie ran off 140 points but was going to leave the final black until the referee convinced him that the crowd deserved to see the 147 completed.

 

[voiceofreason]

Not familiar with the history of the game, are you? :grin: :tongue:

2011 final of the World Championship, Judd Trump vs John Higgins
Trump ran off a few reds and blacks, got out of position on the black, but tried for the difficult black instead of the easy blue. Missed. He lost the championship by three frames. Not trying for the 147 would probably have reduced the difference to 1, and it was a match that Trump should have won.

A few 147s ago, Ronnie potted a red, asked the referee what the prize was for a 147, and was told that there wasn't one, only the prize for the high break.
Ronnie ran off 140 points but was going to leave the final black until the referee convinced him that the crowd deserved to see the 147 completed.

I have almost never watched nor played snooker in my entire life..

(sarcasm alert - for the cheap seats)

 

[mel_smOg]

he is unreal

 

[DGilb147]

I have almost never watched nor played snooker in my entire life..

(sarcasm alert - for the cheap seats)

I get it you are a English 8 ball pool player because you cannot play snooker

So now you just try and belittle the game of snooker that has given you this
frustration.

Easier on a 6 by 3 is it not?

 

[Mike Porter]

Scaramouche, check out my first attachment for that game.
Mike

 

[Scaramouche]

Scaramouche, check out my first attachment for that game.
Mike

You posted while I was looking for video of the 2011 World Championship final.
Nothing with English commentary.
BBC is so damned protective.:angry:

 

[voiceofreason]

Well, you've certainly been rubbing something.

Can you explain this quote then please? You appear to be implying there is no pressure on a maximum. My apologises for implying you said it was a 'free roll' when the frame is over, when you clearly said something soooo different.

I have. Several times.

 

[voiceofreason]

I get it you are a English 8 ball pool player because you cannot play snooker

So now you just try and belittle the game of snooker that has given you this
frustration.

Easier on a 6 by 3 is it not?

I think you need to take a good look through the forums before making things like that up.

It is quite easy to see a users posts. Do some research and come back

 

[Mike Porter]

The very first black he made,,,the ref spotted it in the center of the table. That is the first time I have ever seen that. Because there was a red ,in it's spot at the bottom.
I always though you would just offset it behind the red,,but I was wrong.

Is there a place for every color if something is in it's place?

If a colour's spot is occupied, it is placed on the highest available spot. If no spots are available is goes as close to its own spot as possible, without touching the interfering ball. In the case you mention, pink and black spot were occupied. So the highest spot available was the Blue spot.
Mike

 

[Mike Porter]

You posted while I was looking for video of the 2011 World Championship final.
Nothing with English commentary.
BBC is so damned protective.:angry:

I’m with you on that one. When watching snooker and commentators are not English, I turn the sound down. I am not prejudice in the least, it’s just that I find they seem to never stop talking.
Mike

 

[JB Cases]

Ok, let me simplify. You are right in saying that it is easier to build a break around the higher colors (black and pink) than having to keep going up the table for the other colors (blue, brown, green, yellow). That's how most snooker players build breaks and make centuries. But, here is what you are missing- It is NOT easy to stay on the black for every single red you make. One wrong position on a red and you have to change your plan to take some other color. Add to that the complexity involved in nudging reds here and there to develop them while still maintaining the correct angle to go down for the black on every shot. Not to mention a little bit of luck involved when you split the pack of reds.

Competitive Stats for Ronnie
Centuries: 726
147s: 12

You didn't need to simplify. I know how to play snooker and straight pool and one pocket.

I never said it's EASY to run balls in snooker or EASY to run a 147.

WHY do people here not actually take a few extra heartbeats to really read what is written and think about it for more than a few seconds before going off on the writer?

 

[Mike Porter]

Here is my take on the lack of pressure (once you’ve won the game) when producing a 147. If a golfer has a chance to set a course record, is the pressure not still on? He could be well ahead of his competitors, but this is irrelevant. If in hockey (late in a game) a goalies team is well ahead, but he has a shutout going, is the pressure not on to sustain the shutout. Could this not be true for almost any sport? Tell a pitcher (baseball) that because his team is well ahead, there isn’t pressure to sustain a perfect game.

The nearer we get to our goals the more pressure we are under.
Mike

 

[voiceofreason]

Here is my take on the lack of pressure (once you’ve won the game) when producing a 147. If a golfer has a chance to set a course record, is the pressure not still on? He could be well ahead of his competitors, but this is irrelevant. If in hockey (late in a game) a goalies team is well ahead, but he has a shutout going, is the pressure not on to sustain the shutout. Could this not be true for almost any sport? Tell a pitcher (baseball) that because his team is well ahead, there isn’t pressure to sustain a perfect game.

The nearer we get to our goals the more pressure we are under.
Mike

That is a self inflicted pressure and not relevant to the issue of the frame being won.

 

[Mike Porter]

That is a self inflicted pressure and not relevant to the issue of the frame being won.

Pressure is always self inflicted. I don’t think that perfection can be achieved without putting yourself under pressure. When playing the first game of a long series, I would guess a player is more concerned with getting a 147 (if the opportunity arises) than winning the game. As has already been mentioned, players will risk losing the game, in hopes of a 147.
Mike

 

[voiceofreason]

Pressure is always self inflicted.

Yes indeedy.

As has already been mentioned, players will risk losing the game, in hopes of a 147.
Mike

Really? Like who? I never have nor know anyone that has.

Are you able to provide any youtube type examples of this phenomenon I have never in all my years of watching and playing snooker witnessed?

Winning the frame is absolutely the first priority. Making a century (which might become a maximum) is a secondary consideration.