Rule Question

[RunoutJJ]

Last night at league (APA) my teammates opponent had BIH and only needed one point to close out my player. While adjusting the CB wiht her shaft she touched the cueball wiht her LEATHER TIP. Now to me this is a foul. I asked the league operator if it was a foul and he told me no.. Unless there is a forward stroking motion than it is not a foul.

This is why i dont liek the APA!!! That and the player gave me that ITS JUST LEAGUE line and to lighten up (this is after they threaten to call a foul on me for asking my player if she needed the bridge) Well rules and rules and when you have BIH and only have to get one point to my players 3 than YEAH... Im gonna call you on it!!!

So what is the definite ruling in this matter of rubbing the tip on the CB with BIH.

BTW this is a 9 Ball league...

 

[TimKrazyMon]

RunoutJJ, sadly in APA the only way that is going to be called a foul is if the player has the cue behind the ball and is using the tip to push it forward (like a shooting motion). As long as the tip is on top of the cue ball, that will never be called a foul.

I was a referee for my local APA league for a long time, trust me on this one.

 

[MaxEnglish]

1.5 Cue Ball in Hand
...Players may use any part of the cue stick to move the cue ball, including the tip, but not with a forward stroke motion...

23. Coaching
It is permitted for a player to receive advice from a coach during a match. This should not be on a continuous shot-by-shot basis that changes the nature of the game. It is up to the referee and tournament management to set additional limits on this. A time out can be used to get coaching help. The coach should not approach the table...

The above is from the World Pool-Billiard Association Rules (The only rules people and leagues SHOULD use, IMO (and Europeans, I'm glad to have noticed, do use))
Yes, I understand that different leagues and tourneys have different regulations and they probably always will have, but I find it benefitting our sport that we'd have one and only one set of rules and regulations. And what would be a better set than the WORLD POOL-BILLIARD ASSOCIATION one. After all, they sanction all the official World Championships...

 

[JustinHayes]

Never liked that rule and wouldn't ever call it against an opponent. It seems pretty petty to call it when the intent is obvious.

I'm with you on this. ^^^

One of (the many) things I hated about the APA was nit-picky rules, not saying that this perticular rule is nit-picky, but I say... let's play pool and not worry about goofy rules. I can't tell you how many times a player would call the pocket for the 8-ball but forget to mark it. .

... anyway, if the player wasn't trying to stroke the ball, and was simply trying to position the ball, I would let it go. I'm sure your team wanted to win the match, but something like that little act shouldn't affect the outcome of a match, IMHO.

 

[RunoutJJ]

I totally agree with what everybody said above. Yeah normally i would've let stuff like this slide but this guy (captian) in notorious for being a stickler about the rules (and making his own up) and things may have gotten out of hand but... I was just curious about the ruling on it. Im use to BCA rules (the best hands down!!) and to me it is a foul.

I was always taught to place the cueball in position to your shot with your hand only. Just to avoid this type of situation..

 

[tatcat2000]

Not a foul under World Standardized Rules or BCAPL Rules

Im use to BCA rules (the best hands down!!) and to me it is a foul.

Using the cue tip to place the cue ball when it is in hand has not been a foul under WSR since at least 1998, or BCAPL rules since their inception. I don't know which you are referring to when you use the term "BCA", but either way it is not a foul.

Applicable WSR is 1.5 (as quoted by Max earlier), applicable BCAPL Rule is 1.38.1.

:smile:
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