soulcatcher said:
Not to mention cigarette ashes falling on the cloth.
Rules & Etiquette in Competition
- Thread starter Jude Rosenstock
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Not to mention cigarette ashes falling on the cloth.
soulcatcher said:
One of the better known places to play bar pool in New York City is this little place in Greenwich Village called The Stoned Crow (http://thestonedcrownyc.com). The owner, Betty sits in the only poolroom-style chair right near the bar table (like a throne). Next to her "throne" is an autographed picture of Earl Strickland. She'll be quick to tell you the story about how he visited the Crow. She might be in her 50s, has fire-engine red hair, always showing off as much cleavage as legally permitted and is often seen fighting off the 20-something NYU students who flirt with her relentlessly.
Anyway, she sits there and manages the chalkboard list of people who wish to play. You're not even allowed to touch the chalkboard. If you leave your cue on the table, you will be yelled at immediately. If you kick the table or slam your cue, you will be asked to leave. If you spill your drink on the table, you will hope that God himself will strike you down on the spot because the only thing that would definitely be worse than anything imagineable is the wrath Betty will bestow upon you.
On the otherhand, the table is in perfect condition. The bartenders are famous for being friendly. You do not ask them for quarters. Quarters are kept in a bowl near the table all based on the honor code. If you need change, you take what you need and leave the bills behind. The hamburgers are regarded as some of the best in the city.
Even though I rarely make it there, it's one of my favorite bars.
#......Do not throw your quarters on the felt and walk away from the table after winning a rack. Being a sore winner is just as bad as a sore loser.
Only excuse is you have already gotten the rack and are collecting the extra balls on the table. I can deal with quarters being tossed at me, if my opponent is helping out.
Only excuse is you have already gotten the rack and are collecting the extra balls on the table. I can deal with quarters being tossed at me, if my opponent is helping out.
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In the place I play, when somebody got out of the line of his shot as he approached the table, my teammate had to walk away from the table and come over and mentioned it to me. He was that shocked to see somebody actually practice ettique there. Bad enough the wait staff (dingbats that they are) don't know ettique, but most of the "players" don't either.
Good post Jude.
Good post Jude.
soulcatcher said:
Someone said that to me once too. I said, "Yes I do, and if you don't get your drink off the table right now my big, ugly security guard will be happy to take over from here."
I can't stand it when people have no respect for the equipment.
This thread has made me think I should ask my local APA LO to amend his bylaws to make smoking over tables and putting drinks on tables a foul -- one that is callable by the opponent or the room owner. Two fouls is loss of match.
Bugz said:
On that note:
Do not walk up to the table jingling your quarters to try and shark me while I am shooting the 8(9,10...moneyball).
briandlau said:
LOLOLOL, at the Eastside, I would tell patrons that twirled their cue that the cheerleader auditions were always on Sundays.
Jude, One thing that really bothers me and I do not know if it would fit into your list of items, but............
I hate it when people come up to the table initially and "DUMP" the balls on the table. They just turn the rack over and let them fall out instead of taking them out of the rack in multiple hand fulls.
I hate it when people come up to the table initially and "DUMP" the balls on the table. They just turn the rack over and let them fall out instead of taking them out of the rack in multiple hand fulls.
klockdoc said:
Yes but it's very very rare to see players do this. Bangers dump the balls.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Like you set of rules with the exception of Turn your cellphone off, as I put mine on VIBRATE, and Refused to turn it OFF
Also it would be nice if opponents stayed in the playing area, as it drive me nuts when they wonder off, and than come back and say "do I have ball in hand", or "is it my shot"
I will make a few other additions to the list -
When you pocket the game-winning ball, let the cue ball come to a stop on its own. Don't grab it. Go get your break cue, mark your score, do anything else but touch that cue ball. Honestly, your chances of scratching would have to be 0% in order for me not to say anything.
Also, the sitting player should NEVER EVER EVER catch a cue ball about to fall into a pocket. You do this against me and it is guaranteed I will call a foul on you.
If you're the shooting player and you go to catch your own scratch, consider it a foul-concession because if that cue ball hangs, I'm still taking ball in hand.
When you pocket the game-winning ball, let the cue ball come to a stop on its own. Don't grab it. Go get your break cue, mark your score, do anything else but touch that cue ball. Honestly, your chances of scratching would have to be 0% in order for me not to say anything.
Also, the sitting player should NEVER EVER EVER catch a cue ball about to fall into a pocket. You do this against me and it is guaranteed I will call a foul on you.
If you're the shooting player and you go to catch your own scratch, consider it a foul-concession because if that cue ball hangs, I'm still taking ball in hand.
av84fun said:
No, it wasn't. Honestly, I'm really glad it wasn't. We're a tight group. A significant portion of us will be in Las Vegas next week and we all have a great time together. The general attitude in the league is let the games decide the winner - not rules.
However, it's easy to overlook something like that in your home room. If you're playing amongst strangers, it's a different story.
briandlau said:
The details have eluded my memory. Not surprising, too. You guys are a riot almost every week!
Jude Rosenstock said:
Then I am confused about your post...or possibly you are! (-:
You started your OP with..."So last night was the league finals at my home room and during one of the final games of match, I saw something that I thought was inexcuseable."
So, if it was "inexcusable" why are you so glad the foul wasn't called??
One of the MAIN reasons there are rules disputes is because the rules are enforced selectively or inconsistently or not at all.
I understand that it was your regular league and you are all pals but I think it is unfair to the OTHER team in the league fouls are not called.
You will recall a huge thread recently on the subject of whether people should call undectected fouls on themselves...and there was this whole big thing about the "integrity of the game."
In another similar thread, some guy came back from a break and moved balls on the table not realizing that his opponent had already broken the rack. Whether that was a foul and/or whether it should have been called was also a major controversy.
Personally, friends or not...I think that the deal should be that all fouls get called because, as I noted above, it just sets a bad precedent when certain fouls ARE called and others are not and it is also unfair to the other competitors.
But mostly I am just curious about why you started what is sort of a pet peaves thread which mentioned etiquette issues that aren't even fouls in some cases, when you would not call an actual foul.
Regards,
Jim
PS: If that incident would have made the difference between your team qualifying for Vegas or not...would you have called the foul?
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av84fun said:
Okay, I called it inexcuseable because you leave yourself vulnerable to getting a foul called on you- not because I think it should be called a foul. Honestly, I don't know what the official rule is. I see it as something you should not be doing. This isn't really about pet peaves but a little more yet not necessarily written rule, either. A pet peave, imo, would be like leaving the bridge on the floor or the chalk face down. This is more about behavior that could potentially shape the outcome of a match.
If I were the opponent, would I have called a foul? The most truthful answer I can give is probably not. I'm sure there are a few exceptions but that would be for personal reasons.