Flakeandrun
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months, years even. Let's go!!
Rules for gorst SVB race to 120
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It actually says early bird the event for $29.99Says Day 1 and $29.99 for event further down https://xpool.live/videos/day-1-shane-vs-fedor
But if1 Day is $29.99, then 3 days is $100 could be most expensive 3 day PPV ever
$29.99 for all 3 days would be cheap, IIRC used to be around $50 or more for 3 days marquee matchups.
Though won't be surprised if such longgg races to xxxxxxx are cheap these days- Much less demand for such long races these days with big real prizemoney in MR WNT world tour and Predator PBS weaning players away from such long races money games which frankly is a good thing. Might still tune in to check out last day if nothing to do. These matches are circus novelties like that Mike Tyson fight end of this year
Thing is it used to be race to 50 or 100 few years ago but these days it is 120.
Why 120? Why not 100 or 180 or 300 or 1000 ?
cos in such close match, you can have different winner for different race lengths.
smiling_Hans
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There is no way I can sit through this event. There is a possibility of sitting through 200 plus games. 
The thought of that is scary.
If you have a project in your garage or a pool table then it would be nice to have it on as background noise and something to glance at.
The thought of that is scary.
If you have a project in your garage or a pool table then it would be nice to have it on as background noise and something to glance at.
Am I the only one who thought that was Buddy Hall?
No.
Did Hall's book Rags to Rifleman mention Rosebud by chance?
buddy looks troubled in a different way. one of welles' main concerns btw was his nose complex. he felt that not having a big nose made him look childish / unmanly.
back in the day those usually morphed into chemical-fueled marathons. was never a fan of them. maybe short ones like 5ahead but 10ahead or longer could be brutal.
15 ahead
ahead races can also end in one day which isn't very beneficial for the PPV streamer
You definitely are not.
Every event I held with pros they chopped the prize money ahead of time. They still all played to win.
I am of the opinion that this is as far from a pay-per-view chop exhibition as could be.
I respect Stu's views that tournaments are how you keep score among the elite pool players and that long races aren't that interesting. And when it comes to tournaments and titles and hall of fame status, I agree that titles are what counts.
But money pool is almost a totally different game, as different as 9 ball to one pocket to straight pool. And just like straight pool was the main game for a long time and it has been replaced with 9 ball, money games were the main game for a long time and that has been replaced by tournaments. For a lot of the 60s, 70s, and 80s though, the top players didn't care too much about titles and instead cared about pecking order in terms of who would play who for the big cash. From the very best like Parica and Hall to the back room greats like McCready and Mataya, players took pride in the extended battles that went into those long sessions.
SVB is one of the players who grew up straddling those generations. He came into pro pool among a world wide field that was heavily influenced by the European trend towards tournament emphasis, training and technique. But he still grew up among the older generation of pool players where he dreamed of being able to take on all comers and play them forever until they waived the flag and admitted defeat.
Since 2006 when he played Corey Deuel he has done just that playing 10 ball. He beat Corey. He lost the first match to Alex at the finish line after having a big lead, but after that beat him in every long set they played. He beat Dennis. He beat Jayson. He beat them all in that format. Yes, he lost to Alex some races to 15, or to Johnny or Dennis playing 9 ball, or JL Chang in a tournament style race to 50. But in 15 years NO ONE has beaten SVB playing 10 ball in a race to 100+.
This doesn't make him the GOAT. That's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that he feels that big table 10 ball is HIS GAME, and he is the best in THAT FORMAT. He has proven that over the years.
Now he is on the tail end of his career, looking towards retirement and fishing and letting the next generation take it. But some have questioned. How good was SVB's big table 10 ball game? Was he really that good or was the competition just not as strong? Sure he dominated Alex and Dennis and Jayson, but what about guys like Fedor and Filler?
So to me SVB is doing this for him. To prove to himself and the world that he hasn't been eclipsed by todays top talent. That maybe there are younger players, hungrier, willing to travel more and grind harder and dig deeper because they haven't gotten to the top yet, and maybe some of them will put together some amazing tournament resumes that equal or even top his someday. But that if they want to play him HIS GAME, 10 ball, long set, that he will show that he can still get there with anyone.
SVB doesn't need to chop up 5K in pay per view. Neither does Fedor. And I just drove home today from Sioux Falls where I was running a bootcamp and had some talks with people that have some money involved. It isn't monopoly money.
No. I believe this set means the world to SVB, that it means more to him than another US Open title or even a second world championship would mean. To me this is his last pool goal to prove he was the best money player of both his younger and current era. I don't know if he will win. But I know he will be giving this more preparation and heart and effort than we've seen from him since he was in his 20s. And while it's not for everyone, for those who enjoy old school money matches this is an absolutely historic event.
I respect Stu's views that tournaments are how you keep score among the elite pool players and that long races aren't that interesting. And when it comes to tournaments and titles and hall of fame status, I agree that titles are what counts.
But money pool is almost a totally different game, as different as 9 ball to one pocket to straight pool. And just like straight pool was the main game for a long time and it has been replaced with 9 ball, money games were the main game for a long time and that has been replaced by tournaments. For a lot of the 60s, 70s, and 80s though, the top players didn't care too much about titles and instead cared about pecking order in terms of who would play who for the big cash. From the very best like Parica and Hall to the back room greats like McCready and Mataya, players took pride in the extended battles that went into those long sessions.
SVB is one of the players who grew up straddling those generations. He came into pro pool among a world wide field that was heavily influenced by the European trend towards tournament emphasis, training and technique. But he still grew up among the older generation of pool players where he dreamed of being able to take on all comers and play them forever until they waived the flag and admitted defeat.
Since 2006 when he played Corey Deuel he has done just that playing 10 ball. He beat Corey. He lost the first match to Alex at the finish line after having a big lead, but after that beat him in every long set they played. He beat Dennis. He beat Jayson. He beat them all in that format. Yes, he lost to Alex some races to 15, or to Johnny or Dennis playing 9 ball, or JL Chang in a tournament style race to 50. But in 15 years NO ONE has beaten SVB playing 10 ball in a race to 100+.
This doesn't make him the GOAT. That's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that he feels that big table 10 ball is HIS GAME, and he is the best in THAT FORMAT. He has proven that over the years.
Now he is on the tail end of his career, looking towards retirement and fishing and letting the next generation take it. But some have questioned. How good was SVB's big table 10 ball game? Was he really that good or was the competition just not as strong? Sure he dominated Alex and Dennis and Jayson, but what about guys like Fedor and Filler?
So to me SVB is doing this for him. To prove to himself and the world that he hasn't been eclipsed by todays top talent. That maybe there are younger players, hungrier, willing to travel more and grind harder and dig deeper because they haven't gotten to the top yet, and maybe some of them will put together some amazing tournament resumes that equal or even top his someday. But that if they want to play him HIS GAME, 10 ball, long set, that he will show that he can still get there with anyone.
SVB doesn't need to chop up 5K in pay per view. Neither does Fedor. And I just drove home today from Sioux Falls where I was running a bootcamp and had some talks with people that have some money involved. It isn't monopoly money.
No. I believe this set means the world to SVB, that it means more to him than another US Open title or even a second world championship would mean. To me this is his last pool goal to prove he was the best money player of both his younger and current era. I don't know if he will win. But I know he will be giving this more preparation and heart and effort than we've seen from him since he was in his 20s. And while it's not for everyone, for those who enjoy old school money matches this is an absolutely historic event.
You must not have been around during the TAR days, almost all of their PPV matches were races to 100 or more. Some epic pool took place, and us fans definitely got our moneys worth.There is no way I can sit through this event. There is a possibility of sitting through 200 plus games.
The thought of that is scary.
If you have a project in your garage or a pool table then it would be nice to have it on as background noise and something to glance at.
Shane has not hidden that he has stake-horses for this match. He could reasonably expect about a 30% gratuity from them if he wins, so that means he is playing for $15,000 plus his cut of the pay per view, or about $20,000. That means Shane has surely got plenty of money on the line in this match, but I would guess he is not at risk for anything, and his cut of the pay-per-view amounts to an appearance fee.
I'm not sure I'd want to back either Fedor or Shane in a long race against Kaci in a race to 100. In the past four years, Kaci has two golds and a bronze at the World 10-ball, so if Shane's motivation is to prove he's the best at 10-ball, he'll have to beat Kaci. Perhaps if he beats Fedor, he goes after Kaci.
To me, Shane has nothing to prove. Win or lose, he is a legend at 10-ball and I'm not sure that by winning, he'd tell us anything we don't already know.
I believe anyone who watches this match will see some great pool delivered between two World 9-ball champions and, as priced, there's plenty of value offered here for those who enjoy marathons.
Good luck to both of these fine players.
There was a lot of Kaci slander on Facebook after he offered either SVB or Fedor the first break. I don't get the sense he's the type of guy to run his mouth on Facebook and not have the stones to back it up - I'd love to see him play the winner.
Of particular note were all the folks on Kaci for his slow play - suggesting he'd be screwed if they played with a shot clock. I find that amusing because I think of the top echelon of players, Fedor is easily the most impacted by the shot clock.