Rules Query
- Thread starter Jodacus
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Illegal object ball? Never heard of that before. What game is it?
I don't understand.
I don't understand.
I'm guessing he means any ball that is not his object ball.
i.e.: the five ball when you are shooting the one ball (9ball game), or a stripe when you are shooting solids (8ball game).
Well, the rules say "Playing away from a frozen ball does not constitute having hit that ball unless specified in the rules of the game."
They also say that a player is not penalized for a ball settling. If the frozen ball moves because it settles when you shoot the cue ball away from it, you are not considered to have hit the ball and you are not penalized because it moved.
Now, if the object ball moves because your shaft rubs on the top of the ball, it's a different story. This would be if you're shooting over the ball to hit the cue ball.
Old Nine Baller
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So in BCA rules,
If the player hits the 2 towards a pocket but the 9 ball moves, is the shot legal?
I'm guessing yes, but will likely be proven wrong, then someone will say I'm right, then wrong. :embarrassed2:
edited to add: the 9 ball moves, not settles
So in BCA rules,
If the player hits the 2 towards a pocket but the 9 ball moves, is the shot legal?
I'm guessing yes, but will likely be proven wrong, then someone will say I'm right, then wrong. :embarrassed2:
edited to add: the 9 ball moves, not settles
Legal if you shoot away from the 9. (So that's someone saying you're right. Waiting for your next prediction to come true now. :wink: )
Pocket,
Exactly. The rules say "toward" a frozen ball.
In your illustration the two.
The rules do not address another frozen ball or
a situation where the nine moves as a result of
the cue ball or the two ball being moved. So you
could shoot through the nine as long as it was
toward the two. I would hate to be the ref in this
situation.
Exactly. The rules say "toward" a frozen ball.
In your illustration the two.
The rules do not address another frozen ball or
a situation where the nine moves as a result of
the cue ball or the two ball being moved. So you
could shoot through the nine as long as it was
toward the two. I would hate to be the ref in this
situation.
This is an excellent question and I'm not sure the current WSR rules cover it. If they do, it's just by luck. The "wrong ball first" foul reads
In those games which require the first object ball struck to be a particular ball or one of a group of balls, it is a foul for the cue ball to first contact any other ball.
I would say that if you shoot into both frozen balls you are hitting the two balls simultaneously.
There is also a "split hit" rule in the Regulations section which says if the referee cannot determine which was struck first, the hit is assumed to have been good, but I think that doesn't apply as it is clear what happened.
Given the above wording, I would rule it as a foul because the nine is struck as much first as the two ball.
Thanks Bob
I would hate to have to make a call
dependent on which direction the nine
ball settled. A lot of movement by the
nine would be easy to call, but just a
twitch could leave someone very
unhappy.
I think I would address this before the shot was
taken. Hoping to get everyone on the same page.
Joe
I would hate to have to make a call
dependent on which direction the nine
ball settled. A lot of movement by the
nine would be easy to call, but just a
twitch could leave someone very
unhappy.
I think I would address this before the shot was
taken. Hoping to get everyone on the same page.
Joe
Old Nine Baller
Banned
I didn't realize it was an insult to try to help someone out. I guess you guys can find an insult everywhere you look.
ONB
If I was the ref and was presented with the 1 and 9 and cueball in that frozen triangle, I would look at which angle the player was shooting at. If directly at the contact point or with the cue angled towards the 1, I'd say good hit. If he shot towards the 9, bad hit. To me, just on some crazy logic that I have in my head, hitting towards the 9 he is looking like he is actually trying to hit the 9 with the cueball instead of hit the 1 and carom into the 9.