Rules Question. Number of cues for a match.

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Dave Mackay

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Hi just a question i have been thinking about.

I know you are permitted to take 3 cues to a match, which for 9ball would normally be your player, your break, and a jump cue.

If during the course of a match your tip was to come off your playing shaft would you be allowed to swap this shaft for a backup shaft in your case?

If the answer is yes then would you be allowed to take a playing cue butt with 2 shafts, a break cue butt with 2 shafts, and a jump cue to a a match.

As there is only 3 butts and all joints are different it would only be possible to make up 3 cues from this.

Can i have peoples views please.

Cheers
Dave
 
Dave Mackay said:
Hi just a question i have been thinking about.
I know you are permitted to take 3 cues to a match, which for 9ball would normally be your player, your break, and a jump cue.
If during the course of a match your tip was to come off your playing shaft would you be allowed to swap this shaft for a backup shaft in your case?
If the answer is yes then would you be allowed to take a playing cue butt with 2 shafts, a break cue butt with 2 shafts, and a jump cue to a a match.
As there is only 3 butts and all joints are different it would only be possible to make up 3 cues from this.
Can i have peoples views please.
Cheers Dave
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What rules/sanctioning body are you quoting ?.............. j :confused:
 
It used specified on the UK pro tour as i was reliably informed by thediamond but i have now searched all over the net and cannot find a maximum number of cues???

I notice that the BCA rules are effective from 2001 it could well have been before this that i had come accross the rules.

For playing to BCA/WPA rules is there any maximum now?
 
I played a guy 2 years ago at the BCA Nationals in Vegas that had 7 cues at the table. Nobody said a word about it.
 
IMO 3 butts equals 3 cues. Anyone who would try to penalize you for having spare shafts.......... is off their rocker.
Chuck
 
I saw Earl toting around two cases full of cues and shafts in Greenville SC a few weeks ago, If you don't think Earl will change cues or shafts after a dry break almost everytime just pay close attention. Leonard
 
Another funny story about three years ago at the Smokey Mountain shootout there was a cuemaker from Texas playing a 12 year old kid from NC. The texan had 5 awesome cues pulled out for the match on bar tables and someone in the croud asked him about his shooter and he said it cost 20 thousand. His first round foe was Adam Pendley who beat him 7 to 0 in fifteen minutes or less, he was surprised and mad couldn't belive they let kids play. I think he shot twice and told Adam I wish you were old enough to gamble. Adam pulled out a big roll of dough and said to his dad and brother who were watching if this ain't enough have youall got any money? They said several thousand and the Texan took them fine sticks apart and walked off real quiet. Leonard and crowd was LOAO
 
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. "Ya'll got any money?"

Kids who can play are dangerous, just like women! Neither get any respect.

I don't understand why people care about how many cues someone has. Who cares! As long as they are all put together already, it shouldn't really affect the other player. As long as they don't take undue time between shots, let them look like an idiot. It means more money going into the pool industry.

I think some people lose sight of the fact that this is a game played for fun. There is no sacred text designating the number of cues to be used, only a tradition. This tradition is not the result of what is right or wrong, but rather resulted from the unavailability of modern equipment. Pool will keep evolving as it always has. Does anyone here think it was a bad move when people started using sticks in place of maces? How about the first leather tip. Horrible idea, right? Anybody have a straight taper on their cue, rather than a pro taper? Thought not. The game changes, and some day it will probably be in a form that none of us would recognize. But this doesn't diminish the game at all.
 
Well, personally I can't wait for the day when jump cues are done away with. Of course I own a J/B for the time being, but I mainly jump with my playing cue.

I bring 2 cues and my case to the table for 9ball, my playing cue, and my J/B. The only point I would make is IF it's not your turn, don't break down your cue to change shafts.....this can be construed as a shark and come with a penalty.

Gerry
 
What about breaking down your cue to change a shaft because you lost a tip? Is that loss of game or match? Never had to do that or seen it. Just wondering.
 
arsenius said:
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. "Ya'll got any money?"

Kids who can play are dangerous, just like women! Neither get any respect.

I don't understand why people care about how many cues someone has. Who cares! As long as they are all put together already, it shouldn't really affect the other player. As long as they don't take undue time between shots, let them look like an idiot. It means more money going into the pool industry.

I think some people lose sight of the fact that this is a game played for fun. There is no sacred text designating the number of cues to be used, only a tradition. This tradition is not the result of what is right or wrong, but rather resulted from the unavailability of modern equipment. Pool will keep evolving as it always has. Does anyone here think it was a bad move when people started using sticks in place of maces? How about the first leather tip. Horrible idea, right? Anybody have a straight taper on their cue, rather than a pro taper? Thought not. The game changes, and some day it will probably be in a form that none of us would recognize. But this doesn't diminish the game at all.
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This is not quite true. The rules may have changed, as I don't see a specific reference to it in the WPA Equipment Specifications, but if you look at the BCA Rule Book for 2000, you will note, in the section of Equipment Specifications, that players were not allowed to bring more than three cues to a match. Naturally, this must refer to the butts.

As to the question about unscrewing your cue, the rules for tournament play establish that if you attempt to unscrew your cue while the opponent is at the table and is on the hill, it represents a concession of the match. It would appear that this penalty is not imposed unless your opponent is on the hill, but the common sense approach, not to mention the observation of common courtesy, would be to wait until it's your turn before performing any potentially distracting actitivites, including unscrewing your cue.
 
VIProfessor said:
This is not quite true. The rules may have changed, as I don't see a specific reference to it in the WPA Equipment Specifications, but if you look at the BCA Rule Book for 2000, you will note, in the section of Equipment Specifications, that players were not allowed to bring more than three cues to a match. Naturally, this must refer to the butts.

As to the question about unscrewing your cue, the rules for tournament play establish that if you attempt to unscrew your cue while the opponent is at the table and is on the hill, it represents a concession of the match. It would appear that this penalty is not imposed unless your opponent is on the hill, but the common sense approach, not to mention the observation of common courtesy, would be to wait until it's your turn before performing any potentially distracting actitivites, including unscrewing your cue.
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I think this could have been where the 3 cue rule came from as it would have been these rules that the UK tour was using at the time. On the current rules does anyone know if there is now not a limit to the number?
 
VIProfessor said:
This is not quite true. The rules may have changed, as I don't see a specific reference to it in the WPA Equipment Specifications, but if you look at the BCA Rule Book for 2000, you will note, in the section of Equipment Specifications, that players were not allowed to bring more than three cues to a match. Naturally, this must refer to the butts.
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According to the BCA web site, this was changed/amended in 2006. "(a) Cue Stick - Each player is permitted to use one or more cue sticks that meet the specifications listed in the equipment specifications section. He may use either a built-in extender or an add-on extender to increase the length of the stick. "

IMO, I interpret this as you can have 1000 cues if you want, as long as they meet the listed equipment specs.


VIProfessor said:
As to the question about unscrewing your cue, the rules for tournament play establish that if you attempt to unscrew your cue while the opponent is at the table and is on the hill, it represents a concession of the match. It would appear that this penalty is not imposed unless your opponent is on the hill, but the common sense approach, not to mention the observation of common courtesy, would be to wait until it's your turn before performing any potentially distracting activities, including unscrewing your cue.
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I agree with this.

Craig
 
As far as extra shafts, I would think that they would not count; just be sure to inform your opponent of the shaft change before you break it down...
 
Ok, we need to create a spectrum that has on one end, "What is good for your game" and on the other end, "What sucks for your game".

If a guy wants to bring a dozen cues to the table, I would HOPE he intends to use all of them.


On a serious note, in an exhibition I saw a little of yesterday, one of the players was faced with a rather easy jump-shot. Instead of using her playing cue, jacking-up and jumping over the edge of the obstructing ball to hit an object-ball down-table, she fetched her jump-cue for the task. IMO, using a jump-cue for a small jump with an object ball that's far away is not only overkill but dramatically lowers the chances of making the shot. The cue-ball jumped a half-foot off the table when she only needed maybe a two-inch jump to clear it. She missed. It just amazes me how quick people are to use these gizmos.
 
I have a fancy jump cue but people who know me would tell you its almost pointless having it as i very rarely jump i much prefer to kick at balls. If i do have to jump then most shots i take on with a full cue, with the modern hard tips jump cues are less useful.

The reason this question came about was a friend has his playing cue a bk to break and was jumping using an xbreaker as it works well but he has also got a dr popper jump cue which is great for close up jumps but not for distance and so we wondered if he could have all 4 or if he would have to break with the xbreaker as well even though he prefered the BK.

I think jump shots should be removed from most events to increase the skill level. I think most people could learn to jump quite quickly but to learn to kick to the standard set by the phillipinos is just so skillful. I remember back to a shot played by efren in the wpc where he played a short rail white onto a 5 ball which he banked and still controlled the white for position. One word CLASS!!!!!!
 
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