Rules Question ....

[Str8PoolPlayer]

Today, at the Hard Times (Sacramento) monthly 9-Ball Tournament Player #1 fouled and incoming Player #2 had "ball in hand" (with four object balls left on the table) ... He picked up the Cue Ball in his right hand and, as he moved it uptable, his right hand contacted the 6 Ball sending it about 2 feet uptable ... Player #1 jumped up and yelled "Foul" ... The TD was called, a heated discussion ensued, and the TD declared No Foul had taken place since the declared Tournament Rules stated "Cue Ball Fouls only" ... I was only an observer but witnessed the incident first hand and it looked like the Cue Ball actually bumped the 6 Ball uptable, but it was none of my business so I kept quiet ... Both players were on the hill and Player #2 won the set by running the rest of that rack ... Has anyone else here observed something exactly like this and what was the outcome ...

 

[Southpaw]

In Texas Express rules, its not a foul. Player 1 has the option to replace the 6 ball where it was or leave it where it ended up. I think this is the correct ruling.

Southpaw

 

[MastersMaster]

Am I correct in assuming that Tom Saurez was the TD for this tourney? If so, I would rest assured that he made the proper call according to the rules format used for the tourney. I would think that any TD would have a to rule the way this ruling was passed dow, since they didn't see the actual incident. I am TD for quite a few local tourneys in my area and would make this same call, not having seen the described incident.

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

That's what I was thinking ...

In Texas Express rules, its not a foul. Player 1 has the option to replace the 6 ball where it was or leave it where it ended up. I think this is the correct ruling.

BUT, he moved the 6-Ball with the hand he was holding the CB in and the CB "may" have contacted the 6-Ball during movement ...

 

[Southpaw]

BUT, he moved the 6-Ball with the hand he was holding the CB in and the CB "may" have contacted the 6-Ball during movement ...

I dont think it matters as long as he didnt hit the cue ball with his tip. If the 6 had flown down table and moved another ball or balls, then I think its a foul.

Southpaw

 

[sde]

BUT, he moved the 6-Ball with the hand he was holding the CB in and the CB "may" have contacted the 6-Ball during movement ...

BCA rule

3.22 FOUL BY PLACEMENT
Touching any object ball with the cue ball while it is in hand is a foul.

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/tournaments/rules/rls_gen.shtml

APA rule, pg8, 9i

i. Use caution when picking up or placing the cue
ball in a ball-in-hand situation. The cue ball is
always alive. If the cue ball, or the hand holding it
or moving it, touches another ball it is a cue ball
foul and your opponent has ball-in-hand. Be
especially careful when picking up or placing the
cue ball in a tight spot.

http://www.poolplayers.com/8-9-ball-Rules.pdf

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

APA rule, pg8, 9i
Quote:
i. Use caution when picking up or placing the cue
ball in a ball-in-hand situation. The cue ball is
always alive. If the cue ball, or the hand holding it
or moving it, touches another ball it is a cue ball
foul and your opponent has ball-in-hand. Be
especially careful when picking up or placing the
cue ball in a tight spot.

That's what I thought would be the Ruling, but it did not apply in this case since the TD had declared "Cue Ball Fouls only" ... Thanks for the information and it may come in handy in the future ...

 

[sde]

APA rule, pg8, 9i
Quote:
i. Use caution when picking up or placing the cue
ball in a ball-in-hand situation. The cue ball is
always alive. If the cue ball, or the hand holding it
or moving it, touches another ball it is a cue ball
foul and your opponent has ball-in-hand. Be
especially careful when picking up or placing the
cue ball in a tight spot.

That's what I thought would be the Ruling, but it did not apply in this case since the TD had declared "Cue Ball Fouls only" ... Thanks for the information and it may come in handy in the future ...

Note that is an APA rule and not generally used in non APA events.

In BCA it would not be a foul, unless the cue ball touched, in your case, the 6 ball.

Steve

 

[camargored]

i was called on a foul in LV at the ACS its cosidered placing the cue ball and if you move a ball from your wrist down its a foul this from John Louis

 

[sde]

Effective January 1, 2006

i was called on a foul in LV at the ACS its cosidered placing the cue ball and if you move a ball from your wrist down its a foul this from John Louis

The BCA rule that I quoted in post #6 was effective January 1, 2006. Is it possible that the rule has been changed? I don't know.

Steve

 

[MastersMaster]

Str8poolplayer, can you tell me who the TD was for this event?

 

[stick8]

ruling

In Texas Express rules, its not a foul. Player 1 has the option to replace the 6 ball where it was or leave it where it ended up. I think this is the correct ruling.

Southpaw

WOW!! southpaw, you are right on!!! good call.

 

[Bob Jewett]

i was called on a foul in LV at the ACS its cosidered placing the cue ball and if you move a ball from your wrist down its a foul this from John Louis

Bad call. Not within the World Standardized Rules.

 

[stick8]

I got one for you!! player 1 brakes, nothing goes,but the five ball is hanging in side pocket.player 2 shoot at the 1 ball does not make it but the five ball falls. WHATS THE CALL!!!

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

More Good Information ...

i was called on a foul in LV at the ACS its cosidered placing the cue ball and if you move a ball from your wrist down its a foul this from John Louis

I plan to play in future ACS Tournaments as a Super Senior, so thanks for the heads-up on that ruling ...

 

[Str8PoolPlayer]

Not sure ...

Str8poolplayer, can you tell me who the TD was for this event?

There were two guys running the Tournament and I think Tom was the guy who made the call ...

 

[GADawg]

I got one for you!! player 1 brakes, nothing goes,but the five ball is hanging in side pocket.player 2 shoot at the 1 ball does not make it but the five ball falls. WHATS THE CALL!!!

If a hanging ball is at rest for more than five seconds and then falls, it is replaced as near a possible to where it was before it fell and does not count for either player.

 

[poolfire]

just funnin

Am I correct in assuming that Tom Saurez was the TD for this tourney? If so, I would rest assured that he made the proper call according to the rules format used for the tourney. I would think that any TD would have a to rule the way this ruling was passed dow, since they didn't see the actual incident. I am TD for quite a few local tourneys in my area and would make this same call, not having seen the described incident.

now im resting

 

[stick8]

ruls

Note that is an APA rule and not generally used in non APA events.

In BCA it would not be a foul, unless the cue ball touched, in your case, the 6 ball.

Steve

duh!!! first thread stated[texas express rules]

 

[sde]

duh!!! first thread stated[texas express rules]

First thread? If you mean the first post in this thread, there was no mention of rules other than

Tournament Rules stated "Cue Ball Fouls only"

The second post in this thread is

In Texas Express rules, its not a foul. Player 1 has the option to replace the 6 ball where it was or leave it where it ended up. I think this is the correct ruling.

Southpaw

So where is your confusion?

Steve