Ruling on coins under the rail

jay helfert said:
Second infraction to include loss of coin, plus Ball In Hand. .
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Up here in The Great White North the Royal Canadian Mint has come out with a new gold coin weighing 100 kg - that's 220 pounds, folks. You too can have one, for about $1.5 million:D
 
mosconiac said:
Nick Varner discussed this situation with Howard Vickery on an accustat video I have (1P, Parica vs Alex). Nick said he shot and the ball went into his pocket off a coin (playing 1P). He admitted that he would have missed the shot otherwise. The TD (Grady I believe), ruled that the players were to come to an agreement of where the OB would have come to rest if not interfered with by the coin and spot it there. They spotted the OB and Nick lost his turn as he would have missed anyway.

Seemed like a reasonable solution to me.
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I think in that match they said also however that it should have been a foul, that Grady's ruling was wrong. Possibly based on this rule from the World Standard Rules:

13 PLAYER RESPONSIBILITY FOULS
The player is responsible for chalk, bridges, files and any other items or equipment he brings to, uses at, or causes to approximate the table. If he drops a piece of chalk, or knocks off a mechanical bridge head, as examples, he is guilty of a foul should such an object make contact with any ball in play (or the cue ball only if no referee is presiding over the match).
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I also remember something about it being the shooters responsibility to ensure there was no chalk, etc. on the playing surface, but I can't find anything about that in the rules. I hate when you can't remember where you read things!!!
 
I've heard a hilarious story re coins under rails. Some tough guns were gambling and keeping score with them, moving around. After another rack one of them moved a coin, and it was spotted by some youngster watching a game for a while. The winner was about to make a next break when that kid approached the table and picked the coin out and handed it to the player who moved it before. And the kid's face was shining like he won a million! Imagine, he thought those two big men failed picking a coin from under the rail, so he helped them! :)
 
cuetechasaurus said:
What if you use a chocolate coin, and the chocolate melts, and your opponent is allergic to chocolate, and then a drunk David Hasslehoff stumbles in thru the door, and calls a foul? Should you go along with it?
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This is why I like to use M&M's. They melt in your mouth, not on the pool table:D
 
Last night I was in a 9ball match in the weekly Hollywood billiards tournament and its 9-5. I needed one game and my opponent needed 2. (handicapped tournament) We were using coins to keep score. My opponent is cleaning his cue and I am waiting for my shot talking to someone and I look back at the table and some banger who was two tables over walks up and tosses one of the coins back on the table saying "thanks" and walks off. I look and he has taken my coin and now tossed it back to the top rail, landing in between zero and one. I looked at my opponent and was like wtf when did that happen.

It doesnt just happen to ill informed children it turns out.
 
jay helfert said:
BCA Rulebook p.143. Rule 14.6 - Marking the score with coins on the rail. Coins must be the same denomination and size. All coins are the responsibility of the player moving them. In the case of a coin protruding from the rail, if a ball comes into contact with this coin, it is a foul on the player who placed it there.

First infraction gives the opposing player Ball In Hand. Second infraction to include loss of coin, plus Ball In Hand. Third infraction and the penalized player must empty his pockets and give his entire bankroll to the aggrieved player. With a written letter of apology.

Hey don't take my word for it. It's right there next to the part about shooting straight through frozen balls.

Just having fun kids. Don't get all worked up now.
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That's it. I'm not using coins anymore. From now on i'm keeping score in my head. That way there won't be any arguments.
 
Johnnyt said:
Hmmmm I didn't know that. You mean all these years when I had no shot I could have pushed my oponents coin out a little when he or she wasn't looking and hit it with the QB and got ball in hand? Johnnyt
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Read it again.

jay helfert said:
BCA Rulebook p.143. Rule 14.6 - Marking the score with coins on the rail. Coins must be the same denomination and size. All coins are the responsibility of the player moving them. In the case of a coin protruding from the rail, if a ball comes into contact with this coin, it is a foul on the player who placed it there.
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You move a coin - yours or your opponents - it's on you. :P
 
Scaramouche said:
Up here in The Great White North the Royal Canadian Mint has come out with a new gold coin weighing 100 kg - that's 220 pounds, folks. You too can have one, for about $1.5 million:D
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Will it fit under the rail?
 
You got me on the first one, Jay.

Freddie will probably chime in that all the old school hustlers have been leaving coins out a little too far on the opposite side of their opponents pockt in one pocket to prevent banks. Seems like a crafty move the old timers would of learned in the 30's or something. You wait until your opponent leaves to pee, move his coin a bit when it gets in the path of banks and voila, your chances of getting the $$ get better.

Of course, Titanic or Cokes would probably shoot you if you pulled that move on them...

I should get college credits for learning this stuff.
 
Yes this all counts towards your PhD (pool hall diploma). If it doesnt, I want a refund from all the times guys like Professor Ditoro schooled me.
 
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