Runde Schon?

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Just picked up a Schon at the expo in PA. This will be my 4th Schon that I own. I have always wanted to own on of the older one with sharp points and finally had the chance to grab one. Here are a few pics. It has a few dings and minor signs of age. My question to you guys is. Does it pay to have it refinished? It has a few dings but nothing major. I would love to have it in pristine conditions. Anyway guys hope to hear from you guys soon and don't hold back on any of the history of the cue. I'm looking forward to your honesty and feed back.


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R6

You have an R6 with silver rings. The shaft is from a later cue and not original to what you have.
 
If you plan to resore the cue, it would be worth it. Nice examples sell for around 600-800 these days. The non original shaft will hurt the sale a little. You need to change the wrap to white with black spec, this is what most came with from Schon.
 
When Evan Clark joined Schon (and Runde left) they immediately went to flat-bottomed inlaid veneer points, IIRC. In fact, Joe Porper bought much (perhaps all?) of the V-point fronts in Schon's inventory at that time - about 50 pieces, as I recall. The genuine "V" points in your cue are an unmistakeable indicator of a Runde-era Schon.

TW
 
When Evan Clark joined Schon (and Runde left) they immediately went to flat-bottomed inlaid veneer points, IIRC. In fact, Joe Porper bought much (perhaps all?) of the V-point fronts in Schon's inventory at that time - about 50 pieces, as I recall. The genuine "V" points in your cue are an unmistakeable indicator of a Runde-era Schon.

TW

I know for a fact schon has done sharp points since Evan took over there were some ebony on ebony with orange veneer sp's built along with some purple ones. Runde also did some cnc cues shortly before he left

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Flat-bottomed points started on 87, with sharp points up to that point. Runde left in 92. Evan left McDermott and joined Schon, not sure of the year, but I thought it was in the mid 80's.

Any shaft that has SCHON on the collar is from 1993.

Nickel ring was an upgrade from 82-85 and standard afterwards.

IMHO, while the stitch ring collars look great, the old shaft over 12.5 are pretty hard to find and not getting any cheaper.

Side note: You can still order sharp points from Evan.
 
Evan was at Schon during Bob Rundes tenure, and made a good percentage of those famous sharp pointed Runde cues.
Little known fact.
Chuck
 
Known Fact

Evan was at Schon during Bob Rundes tenure, and made a good percentage of those famous sharp pointed Runde cues.
Little known fact.
Chuck

No matter what you feel about Bob Runde's cues, if you know Bob, you know you'll never meet a more honest man. This is straight from Bob's mouth, during his Tenure with Schon, no one touched any Schon Cues, other than Bob Runde himself. No one was even allowed to put a tip on until he sold the Schon name. Thank you, Greg
 
Well gents, I've packed it up and sent it out to Scott at Proficient Billiards in PA. The goal is to get this bad boy back to OE specs. Although the shaft will be the toughest thing to get. Im very patient so sooner than letter I'll get it.


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one time at the sbe.. i was talking to evan clark about cues and such and i mentioned the proverbial "Runde Era Schon" and Evan freaked out on me saying that there is no such thing as a runde era schon and that when bob worked at schon he had very little hands on with the production.. he really got upset when i asked him about it.. i do believe that Bob had more hands on than evan lets on..

chris
 
I will never get over how much knowledge and information AZ'ers have
concerning cues, cases, players and pool in general. Anyone that is 'into' pool and not on AZ is missing the boat, big time.

:thumbup: KUDOS to all.
 
Doccscues is the Oldest Schon Dealer in the country!!

Ask for Keith- or when doc around he'll tell the stories- BoB Rundee made evrything in Schon cues- Even pushe dthe broom. Bob still is today using the same Pantogragh- We can get any Rundy made today!! Ask Keith (for 2000. there is an unplayed yr.2000. In the safe right now. mark
 
Bob Runde Is Incredible....

TRUE STORY

I met Bob Runde at the 1st Inaugural BCA Trade Show in Dallas, TX back in 1984. Hesed me, along with probaly everyone else whom became acuainted with him, that this guy was different. He just spoke in a diffferent tone and manner and with such absolute confidence and assurance in his voice and opinions.

I really liked several different R-series cue designs he had on display but I preferred one cue's features more than another's in one design aspect and then favored something different in another model R series cue. I spoke with Bob and asked if I came up with a design cmbination tha i wanted and wante to tweak some of the features, would he be able to make me such a cue. he said let's do some paerwork and sketch out what you have in mind and I'll send you drawings to approve. Sounded greta to me and so I paid a subtantial deposit on the cue's "estimated cost of $800" and Bob got to work.

The only reason this is imprtant is beacsue of what happened and how I behaved and Bob's demeanor. he sent me very exact drawings which I okayed. When the cue arrived, I behaved like a complet butthole....i was just a jerk. I called Bob up and while he was obviously expecting a enthusiatic customer reaction, he instead got the rants and raves of an asshole. I was criticizing the BEM as not being dark enough, the larger oversized ivory inlays I ordered were not smaller than the drawing depiction, the red veneer wasn't dark enough,,,,,I mean I just nit picked his workmanship to the point that in looking back, he should have just hung up the phone on me.

What does Mr. Runde do.....he tells me that he attempted to render a cue in accordance with what we had discussed but if I wasn't happy, he could offer me a 25% discount.....a pretty large discount I thought.....but I said no.......I just wanted what I had ordered and agreed to and was really unhappy.

So how does Bob respond to this jerk on the phone? He tells me to return the cue and he would study the design specs very closley again and produce me a 2nd cue. He said he would do his very best to be as exact as possible but he wanted me to know this would be his last attempt at making me a custom cue. It just took too much time and he really needed a little more latitude in producing a cue to specifications a customer furnishes. He told me this was an important lesson learned for both us. I mean what a prince of a guy....a true gentleman in the way he behaved.....he conducted himslef like L.L. Bean and remember that Schon was still in its infancy years at that time.

A few months go by and I get a call from Bob letting me know the cue is in the mail. I ask him how the cue turned out and he said he was reluctant to answer because he didn't really think there was much to find fault with on his first attempt at my cue. I could tell he was dead serious and I just thanked him for calling.

Two days later I get the cue and let me tell you it was as if Bob took a photograph of how I imagined the cue to be in my mind and just xeroxed a copy of it. The cue was everything I hoped it would be.....the BEM was perfect, the four ivory spears dominate the four ebong prongs, the red veneers are striking, the sharp ebony points speak for themselves and the oversized sx (6) ivory bars with red windows in the butt sleeve came out exactly how I originally sketched them to look......right down to the double bordered red windows surrounding each of the ivory bars. Believe me....I tried to find fault with the cue somewhere....I knew he couldn't have gotten it perfect....but I couldn't find fault with a single facet or detail of the cue.

So naturally I call Bob up to let him know how happy and pleased i was with the cue. He said he knew I would be and after he compared the second cue with the first one he still had, he said the changes I asked him to attempt did ultimately make the cue turn out better looking. Whether that was true or not, it was classy of him to tell me that. He also inscribed the butt of my cue...another classy touch...."Custom Made For Matt Brennan". As far as I'm concerned, the style and demeanor Bob Runde kindly and so thoughtfully displayed towards me...who was being just a complete ass....well, that speaks volumes of what great person he is and a absolutely terrific cue-maker as well.

Bob, if you get to read this...."You stand heads above other cue-makers, past and present. Thank you for my cue and your gracious attitude."
 
Ask for Keith- or when doc around he'll tell the stories- BoB Rundee made evrything in Schon cues- Even pushe dthe broom. Bob still is today using the same Pantogragh- We can get any Rundy made today!! Ask Keith (for 2000. there is an unplayed yr.2000. In the safe right now. mark

I heard the old Runde era Schons with really old maple wood had a ping you wouldn't believe.
 
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