Safeties vs Slop
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I had always thought these old guys giving me crap about safety play were just old bangers that were mad about me beating them. Recently I had a 70 y/o man come over to a table I was pratcing on after he finished dinner with his wife, he asked to play some 8 ball. I slowed things down in the first rack but it was clear pretty quickly he was going to give me all I could handle. After he won the first rack I played a tight game, safeties, took ball in hand on fouls and won the next three. He waited till I was racking to make a comment about safety play, and how it used to never be like that. This was the first time I believed it as he seemed to be a great player at 70 so I figured he wasn't full of it. He didn't give me a hard time but he didn't like it either. I explained why a good hit was imparitive otherwise you can just roll the cue ball wherever you wanted. He didn't bother to explain to me what he likely meant, that they simply didn't believe in playing safe and it was a cowards way of playing, he was likely just being nice 
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Just let him know that it took you a while before you could truly appreciate slop, but now
you do
you do
I had always thought these old guys giving me crap about safety play were just old bangers that were mad about me beating them. Recently I had a 70 y/o man come over to a table I was pratcing on after he finished dinner with his wife, he asked to play some 8 ball. I slowed things down in the first rack but it was clear pretty quickly he was going to give me all I could handle. After he won the first rack I played a tight game, safeties, took ball in hand on fouls and won the next three. He waited till I was racking to make a comment about safety play, and how it used to never be like that. This was the first time I believed it as he seemed to be a great player at 70 so I figured he wasn't full of it. He didn't give me a hard time but he didn't like it either. I explained why a good hit was imparitive otherwise you can just roll the cue ball wherever you wanted. He didn't bother to explain to me what he likely meant, that they simply didn't believe in playing safe and it was a cowards way of playing, he was likely just being nice
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And yet the players that don't believe in playing safe are more than happy to accept an easy shot after you if you go for an impossible shot vs a safe. Why would we do something to make it easier for them to win? People never used to check the rack years ago either, and we get 9 balls going in on the break 1/4 of the time in major events with people thinking it was an amazing shot LOL
The ring game no safe thing makes sense, there is also no ball in hand, but behind the line in the games i have seen. I mean if you play a safe, you are not benefiting you but the player after the guy you played a safe on.
Let's just do ball on hand after every miss. Then there would be no reason to play a safe. Well... almost no reason.
It’s weird if you have a bunch of C players in a ring game with one BB or A player. The person before the strong player might want to play safe so that the strong player doesn’t string a couple racks together. The “safe” let’s it get back to them sooner. It’s not an ideal place in the rotation to be.
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A. Playing in your ignoramus-filled small town rotation league
B. Jabbing a large dinner fork into my eye
It's a hard call.
For a lot of us, it's play in leagues, or not at all. Its better then nothing.
the old saying when in rome do as the romans do.
you are on their turf and thats how many bar players play. so if you want to be liked then just play like they do and have fun.
would you like it if say you played ping pong with a top player and every shot he slammed it to you and you missed it and had to chase the ball.
play along with them and have fun . when playing someone you are way better than it isnt about winning as you know you will.
you are on their turf and thats how many bar players play. so if you want to be liked then just play like they do and have fun.
would you like it if say you played ping pong with a top player and every shot he slammed it to you and you missed it and had to chase the ball.
play along with them and have fun . when playing someone you are way better than it isnt about winning as you know you will.
I think that is a fine idea.
I also think that would be a great handicap too. I wonder if a 'b' player might be able to compete with a top 10 pro like that?
I don't know about that LOL, although I don't live in an area where you have to drive 3 hours to hit the next town so if one place is crap, I can drive 30min, 1 hour to a better place. There are a few pool halls with leagues 10 miles or less from my house, but I would drive 3 times longer to get to a better place to play in.
If my choices were no pool or play in an APA league on crappy bar tables, I would start buying more computer games LOL
I have seen this handicap before, ball in hand after a miss. It would make the game more even than say getting the 7, but you have to remember that a top player does not give up the table on a "miss" often. If they don't run out, they play safe, and when they play safe, they do it right most of the time. A B player would be missing WAY more, and selling out safes WAY more. If you took away the ability to play safe, it would be a closer game, but the better player is still favored. If a pro of 750+ Fargo played a B player with a 500-550 Fargo, they race is something like 10-2 or 10-3 for an "even" game.
I couldn't play in a league like that. The reality is that you have gone into a league where that is their style of play, and their lack of knowledge and understanding of the game lends them to that style of play. Because you already know that is how they play, you are going to have to take it in stride if you are going to play there. We all know that one bad play may cost you a game, and a strong defensive game is the difference between one level and the next in pool, however, these guys don't play against people that run out when they miss. They are stuck in the "gentleman's game" style of pool where you always shoot offensively, and there is no explaining otherwise to them. Live with it, or play elsewhere.
Because there's a lot of retarded people within the pool community. They heven't got a clue about the game.
It is like saying "Oh I'm not making defensive walls with my soccer team while the opponent team is having a free kick"
That is basically organized bar pool, not any type of pool league I've ever heard of.
The only game in pool I can think of where you don't play defense is bar pool, which isn't really pool.
In that it is bar pool, slop is fine and defensive shots will cause an altercation.
It is what it is
The best you can do is play two-way shots
Do they have spit shots too?
"I'm gonna split em"
The only game in pool I can think of where you don't play defense is bar pool, which isn't really pool.
In that it is bar pool, slop is fine and defensive shots will cause an altercation.
It is what it is
The best you can do is play two-way shots
Do they have spit shots too?
"I'm gonna split em"