Salotto… what a joke

HitHrdNDraw

HitHrdNDraw

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just a warning…. If you beat someone better than you, it will flag their integrity system and they won’t post your score.


I, a 582, played a 657 two races to 7. I won 7-3 and 7-4….

They accused us of cheating…. Pretty small sample size to make such bold statement.
 
HitHrdNDraw said:
just a warning…. If you beat someone better than you, it will flag their integrity system and they won’t post your score.


I, a 582, played a 657 two races to 7. I won 7-3 and 7-4….

They accused us of cheating…. Pretty small sample size to make such bold statement.
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I tend to agree BUT putting a pretty good beat down on someone 70pts better than you is gonna trip some circuit breakers.
 
Texas Carom Club said:
well thats cause thats what it looks like
beating someone 100 points higher so easily
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It’s not 100 points.
garczar said:
I tend to agree BUT putting a pretty good beat down on someone 70pts better than you is gonna trip some circuit breakers.
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Yeah, and if we submitted 10 sets, then I get it. But it was two sets. Maybe he was hung over. A couple of nines on the break here and there. But whatever at least I can still play in 600 and under tournaments.

Maybe most of my robustness comes from playing in a league on 7 foot tables against 450s and I’m higher than a 585.

Plenty of explanations. Ultimately I have never cheated at anything so yea.. I’m a little salty
 
HitHrdNDraw said:
It’s not 100 points.

Yeah, and if we submitted 10 sets, then I get it. But it was two sets. Maybe he was hung over. A couple of nines on the break here and there. But whatever at least I can still play in 600 and under tournaments.
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Is that really your only intent? To sandbag your way into events you shouldn't?? How noble. And people wonder why pool is still in the shitter. Props bro.
 
I wonder if Mike Page has any thoughts on this. Depending on how often this is done and what the review process is, it could introduce a systematic bias in the Salotto data.
 
TheRooster said:
I wonder if Mike Page has any thoughts on this. Depending on how often this is done and what the review process is, it could introduce a systematic bias in the Salotto data.
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Statistics can be confusing. I'm sure Mike could tell you the probability of a 582 beating a 657 14 to 7. Their software could have an alarm that is triggered by a probability setting. Acedemic / scientific studies that are looking for statistical difference between two groups typically choose an alpha of 0.05% and a beta at 0.10%. Simply stated, that means that when they reject the null hypothesis at 0.05% and claim to show a statistical difference, they have a 5% chance of being wrong. So, of every 100 academic / scientific studies that confirm whatever hypothesis they were looking at, ~5% are wrong in their conclusion.
 
HitHrdNDraw said:
So what’s the fix? Because it literally happened
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TheRooster said:
I wonder if Mike Page has any thoughts on this. Depending on how often this is done and what the review process is, it could introduce a systematic bias in the Salotto data.
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Agree. I looked back at all the matches we played

My lifetime record against him in games is 57-30 all of which have been submitted to Salotto and not questioned

So how is my Fargo supposed to go up if only the times that I lose get submitted?

I played well that day.. maybe he was off or something. But we have played a number of times and it only counts when I lose, not when I win.
 

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HitHrdNDraw said:
Agree. I looked back at all the matches we played

My lifetime record against him in games is 57-30 all of which have been submitted to Salotto and not questioned

So how is my Fargo supposed to go up if only the times that I lose get submitted?

I played well that day.. maybe he was off or something. But we have played a number of times and it only counts when I lose, not when I win.
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Yeah if there is a long history of mixed results, this is less likely to be fraudulent data.
 
HitHrdNDraw said:
So what’s the fix? Because it literally happened. And maybe people think the other guy dumped . But if he did then he’s really committed to it because he paid me off the $50 a set we were playing for.
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I think it falls under the category of shit happens and sometimes you just have to ignore outliers. We'll see what Mike says.

I'm curious. Just for perspective, how many games do you have in Fargo and how many of them are Salotto?

For reference, I have just over 4,000 games and have never posted one from Salotto.

Although I guess there could be one or two out there, but I honestly don't know of a single person who uses it.
 
David in FL said:
I think it falls under the category of shit happens and sometimes you just have to ignore outliers. We'll see what Mike says.

I'm curious. Just for perspective, how many games do you have in Fargo and how many of them are Salotto?

For reference, I have just over 4,000 games and have never posted one from Salotto.

Although I guess there could be one or two out there, but I honestly don't know of a single person who uses it.
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Probably 25-30% of my games are Salotto…. There are very few Fargo rated events in Jacksonville. Other than leagues. And not all of them submit.

My robustness is around 800
 
garczar said:
Is that really your only intent? To sandbag your way into events you shouldn't?? How noble. And people wonder why pool is still in the shitter. Props bro.
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Am I missing something? If it was submitted that he beat someone two sets, 70 points higher than him, wouldn’t that be the opposite of sandbagging? He’s literally begging to have his Fargo raised… arguably higher than it should be.
 
I have quite a few matches in sallotto and maybe 15% are matches where I played way above my fr. I also got a call but it wasn't negative merely a question as to what happened. I played a better player on Valley barboxes after he had exclusively been on Diamonds. The other thing is he had a person come up and bother him ,they got into a heated argument. A couple other matches were after league and the players had been saucing it up.

I also have a couple matches where I didn't play great and my opponent was shitting in 9 balls. It happens.
 
Yeah, it happens. I lost 11-0 on a streamed gambling match a few months ago, me being a 570 at the time and my opponent 590. Then I beat the opponent the next two sets (barely), and ended up getting the cash overall. A couple months before that I was gambling with a 603 and I beat him 7-0. None of those were on Solatto, but I could see the 11-0 and 7-0 sets raising flags. I've also beaten 2 700 level players an even set each, 20 years ago before Fargo. One gambling, one in a tournament. We've all been around this game forever, and low probably stuff does happen.

I think given that the OP is a regular customer of Solatto, as was his opponent (I know the OP personally and he showed me both player's games), the Solatto company should have dug deeper.

Also, what would the motive be to submit false scores or to dump, in "this" case? The OP would have his fargorate go up. That only helps his ego, nothing monetary. The opponent has 1600 games, and is a 657. He's already above nearly every single tournament cap by a large margin, and he's already the speed where everyone knows he can play and barely gets action. Going down potentially .5 or 1 point from this match wouldn't do him any good.
 
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