Samsara All Leather Jump/break Tips
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Rip said:
I have a break stick shaft which I know has a Samsara break tip, but I'm not 100% sure if it's the same as Atlas.
Anyway,I feel the setup works very good for breaking.More controll and feel to it than with my SledgeH. I get good power to it, but still need to grab my Slege for jumping. Guess it's just technique I'm missing
Kent
Samsara has developed a layered leather break/jump tip that is extremely hard (comparable to phenolic).
Being leather there is no question as to their being legal for play in any sanctioned event, the leather also allows for better cue ball grip when using english and does not damage cue balls.
A nice touch is the tips are perfectly flat and square on the glue side eliminating the need for sanding prior to installation.
The new Samsara break/jump cues come with this tip and the individual tips are available from Atlas Billiard Supplies.
I've been using one of their new break/jump cues for several weeks, in a word it is a 'monster'.
Being leather there is no question as to their being legal for play in any sanctioned event, the leather also allows for better cue ball grip when using english and does not damage cue balls.
A nice touch is the tips are perfectly flat and square on the glue side eliminating the need for sanding prior to installation.
The new Samsara break/jump cues come with this tip and the individual tips are available from Atlas Billiard Supplies.
I've been using one of their new break/jump cues for several weeks, in a word it is a 'monster'.
I got a few samples a while backand the feedback from everyone has been very good. They break great and still allow for using english. I have not put one on a jump stick yet. I suspect anyone who can jump should have no problem using them. Chris.
RBC
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We are currently in the R&D phase of a new OB Break Shaft, and complete cue as well. We are using the Samsara tip and have had nothing but good things from those that have been trying them out. The tip is almost as hard as phenolic, as far as how it hits, and still enables you to control the cue ball like a leather tip.
They are a top notch product!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
They are a top notch product!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
Amen Royce, Jim and Dave have created a leather tip that compares to phenolic without the drawbacks.RBC said:
RBC said:
Well, since Royce have mentioned his R&D, I have one of his prototypes for testing and it's break very well. The tip was shaped a little with a file but not to "round" and it is as mentioned here easy to add english to the break.
Also, if you would like to "lay back" on the power, it does a good job but when I'm really hammering in a break with full power I'm for sure not missing any power to it compared with my SledgeH.
I also need to be more accurate with center ball (hitting exact center) to let the cue ball die out on far end (racking end) without getting english to the break. However, I had excellent results breaking in 10 ball with top right english (breaking from the left side of the rack).
So for you who are considering one of these tips, get one and try or wait until Royce release his killer break cue/shaft combo :thumbup:
Kent
dave sutton
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HoW Do They Compair To The Red Super Pros? When I Use Leather I Use Them If Not I Use Phenolic
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dave sutton
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JimS said:
without testing...
i dont think any leather is harder then phenolic. but the super pros are damn hard for leather. still cant jump with superpros like phenolic tho.
RBC
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Dave,
I am not sure if I have tried the red super pros or not, but I can tell you this.
These tips are significantly harder than any leather tip I have tried, by a long shot!
You really don't lose anything to the phenolic, they hit just as hard. But, they are leather and will still spin the ball if you want. I choose to park the cue ball, so they are perfect for that. I have trouble doing that with phenolic.
Royce Bunnell
I am not sure if I have tried the red super pros or not, but I can tell you this.
These tips are significantly harder than any leather tip I have tried, by a long shot!
You really don't lose anything to the phenolic, they hit just as hard. But, they are leather and will still spin the ball if you want. I choose to park the cue ball, so they are perfect for that. I have trouble doing that with phenolic.
Royce Bunnell
RBC said:
Just wondering, have you ever consider the G10 tip and white diamond ? And also, what do you think about Samsara tip compared to Predator BK2 tip ? So far, I used Mezz PB2 with DI shaft (it has their own tip) and I never found any break cue hit harder than that. How does Samsara compared to those tips ?
As I know, maybe we can't feel the difference between Leather tip and Phenolic in breaking, but it will feel significantly different in jumping, because leather tip transfer lesser power for more control.
FYI, I never recommend Phenolic tip because of chance of miscue; however, I had to agree that so far, Phenolic tip is considered to be one of the best tip for breaking (if you are looking for power); and also I never find any tip that can jump as easy as phenolic.
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I am not sure of the process they are using, but a few years ago I started soaking some single layered leather tips in a plastic like solution then pressing them really hard and letting them dry. I never sold the tips except when installing them myself. They were just slightly softer than phenolic, but gripped the cue ball better. My tips were ugly before installing so I never tried to market them, except on my break jump cues. If they are like my tips they will jump almost as good as phenolic and give a lot more control on the break.
Chris,cueman said:
These tips not only work like phenolic they grip the ball for english control just as yours did.
These are nine layers glued together using a specially formulated glue and high pressure.
Samsara machines the circumference round and the glue face flat and perpendicular, no preperation necessary.
I've been using a new Samsara break / jump cue with this tip for about two months and haven't missed a beat from my old custom Sledgehammer and I don't worry about miscueing.
Dick
billiardcue said:
Dick,
I have the same combo as you, a original Sledgehammer and a break shaft with the Samsara tip. I would however say that I can jump with the "Sledge" without any effort, but doing so with a breakshaft with the Samsara is for sure not as easy...
For me there is a distinct difference in "jumpability" but for breaking I feel the Samsara gives me much better control as mentioned earlier in this thread. The Samsara is installed on a OB Break shaft prototype and a McDermott "Heart breaker" cue.
Kent
RBC
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wilson_gau said:
To let you know, I would never use a G-10 tip. The fiber glass in that material will ruin cue balls! As far as the white diamond goes, I recall that it is a very good tip, but this one from Samsara hits a little harder to me and offers better cue ball control. I believe the white diamond is still a phenolic material, but it is paper based instead of linen or canvas based. The tip on the BK-2 is just phenolic. They do use a carbon fiber pad (wonder where that idea came from!), but it is just a canvas based phenolic.
All my experience with the Samsara tip is on our OB Break shafts. Obviously, our shafts do hit a little different than others, but what we have found is that we get excellent control without the loss of power as compared to phenolic. Plus, when compared to all those one piece tip ferrule combo's, the deflection is much lower.
Some people don't think that deflection makes a difference on the break, but I beg to differ. On the break, you are hitting the cue ball hard. This is when you are most likely to miss the center of the cue ball, and you want the squirt to be the least. If you miss the center of the cue ball with a high squirt shaft, you miss the front of the head ball sending your cue ball flying and not getting much energy into the rack. But, with a low squirt break shaft you don't get the squirt or deflection of the cue ball and you hit the front ball more square, controlling the cue ball and getting the most from you break. I am sure that everyone has seen that player with the phenolic combo shaft who hits real hard. Every once in a while he will hit it perfect, and wow, what a break! But most of the time he is looking on the floor for his cue ball!
If you have not tried Low deflection or squirt shafts for breaking, you owe it to yourself to just try it. I think you will be surprised!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com