Sandbaggers on APA Regionals
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D_Lewis said:
I dunno, I mark innings every game. Nothing I can look up, but based on experience ( I pay attention to whoever is marking for me ), I would guess it takes me 0-2 innings per winning rack. I know they probably use overall innings for the match - defensive shots, but innings per winning rack gives you a pretty good idea where you should be i think.
Robbie said:
So, hypothetically speaking. How hard is it to make the transition from a SL5-SL6? SL6-SL7?
I know certain players, who are SL6's, one of which is dumping every single 8 ball match in an attempt to go down to a 5. (This would be on your Thursday league, look at the 6's who are losing a lot)
and two other SL6's who think they will be bumped to 7's so they pad the innings and occasionally dump.
Depends on Format
All about the innings. SL5-6 and SL 6-7 is based on innings. Need low low innings. From 4-5 can be done on win % and some good matches scattered in easily. The jump to 6 and higher is all about low innings in 8 ball and in 9 ball balls per inning.
EDIT: Are the people in question locked? It is really funny seeing some retard who is locked at there SL but still trying to go down.
I know this one guy who shoots in my division and is locked as a 7. The dumb ass tells people he is trying to go down eventhough he is locked, so to screw with him, people write him up automatically and pad innings and miss intentionally to give him the win....lol
D_Lewis said:
All about the innings. SL5-6 and SL 6-7 is based on innings. Need low low innings. From 4-5 can be done on win % and some good matches scattered in easily. The jump to 6 and higher is all about low innings in 8 ball and in 9 ball balls per inning.
EDIT: Are the people in question locked? It is really funny seeing some retard who is locked at there SL but still trying to go down.
I know this one guy who shoots in my division and is locked as a 7. The dumb ass tells people he is trying to go down eventhough he is locked, so to screw with him, people write him up automatically and pad innings and miss intentionally to give him the win....lol
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D_Lewis said:
I dont think going down is very difficult if you are doing it on purpose and others dont mind you doing it ( they dont say anything to anyone).
To go up, you simply have to play better. In 8ball, I was 100% for a year as an SL6 before I went up to a 7. I had never played in an 8ball league before, I started to learn the game a little better, and started running out more. Therefore I went up, cause my avg innings went down. Same thing with 9ball. I started playing better (not just winning, but winning by wide margins with very few innings) and went up to a 7. Improved some more, and went up to an 8.
I will say, it did feel like making the jump from a 6 to a 7 in both 8&9 felt a little tougher than say a 5 to a 6, but that could just be a result of the natural learning curve of pool. The better you get, the harder it is to improve.
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Simple description
5's - when the out is available they often miss 1 shot but don't count on them to miss it again.
6's - much more consistent with finishing the out when it's there
7's - can not only get out, but can create an out i.e. get the breakout needed.
This is not 100%. There are definitely exceptions to the rule. But in general, it should be a good reference.
5's - when the out is available they often miss 1 shot but don't count on them to miss it again.
6's - much more consistent with finishing the out when it's there
7's - can not only get out, but can create an out i.e. get the breakout needed.
This is not 100%. There are definitely exceptions to the rule. But in general, it should be a good reference.
I know Kevin is, since I am on his team on Sundays and he is on my team on Wednesdays.
Bang, Im not too sure as I am not on his team in 8 ball because of my recent bumping to a 5...... Although now Lisa got bumped to a 5....... hmmmm.
Either way, I cant really confirm anything until I see an updated score-sheet.
Bang, Im not too sure as I am not on his team in 8 ball because of my recent bumping to a 5...... Although now Lisa got bumped to a 5....... hmmmm.
Either way, I cant really confirm anything until I see an updated score-sheet.
Sorry for chining in a little late here but...
I don't believe that the standard match length in 9 ball is 20 innnings. I think its more like 15. In other words to be a SL9 you would need to average 5+ balls per inning.
As far as moving up and down it all depends on where a player stands within a ranking.
Picture a ranking having 10 steps.. easy example 2.1- 2.2 -2.3 etc...
If a player is a 2.8 and starts dumping(losing only) then it would still take
him a while to get back down. Player B could be at a 2.3 and that would take much less effort in theory.
Its hard to really know without knowing what the "bad matches" are in the last 20-30 matches. We know the good ones do to the current SL. Once a few of those come off then whats left matters?? A person that has been very consistent will have a linger period before lowering.
Also, I think its funny when players think that they are sandbagging yet they win a match. That really doesn't do that much for them if they are doing it often. The "applied score" or winning % ranking comes into play then.
While there are many people believing that they are sandbagging and getting away with it I think theres only a small group that do it correctly.
Most teams I see with supposed sandbaggers end up losing. While sandbagging they really are playing closer to their SL than they think and aren't playing under any pressure.
The system isn't perfect at all but if people were honest it would be closer and their would be less talk about sandbagging. Now there is more talk about it than there actually is IMO. Someone loses and they don't want to
admit it so they say that they are laying down.
Watch players that lose a few in a row..... others automatically TALK about them dumping and then they don't like admitting defeat so they say
something about going down. Crazy.
I am a SL7 and a SL 9 and know what I average. Not the best but not the worst either. For me its what I can do when I get a chance and lately
I havent been where I want to be. I guess I can claim to be trying to go down
I don't believe that the standard match length in 9 ball is 20 innnings. I think its more like 15. In other words to be a SL9 you would need to average 5+ balls per inning.
As far as moving up and down it all depends on where a player stands within a ranking.
Picture a ranking having 10 steps.. easy example 2.1- 2.2 -2.3 etc...
If a player is a 2.8 and starts dumping(losing only) then it would still take
him a while to get back down. Player B could be at a 2.3 and that would take much less effort in theory.
Its hard to really know without knowing what the "bad matches" are in the last 20-30 matches. We know the good ones do to the current SL. Once a few of those come off then whats left matters?? A person that has been very consistent will have a linger period before lowering.
Also, I think its funny when players think that they are sandbagging yet they win a match. That really doesn't do that much for them if they are doing it often. The "applied score" or winning % ranking comes into play then.
While there are many people believing that they are sandbagging and getting away with it I think theres only a small group that do it correctly.
Most teams I see with supposed sandbaggers end up losing. While sandbagging they really are playing closer to their SL than they think and aren't playing under any pressure.
The system isn't perfect at all but if people were honest it would be closer and their would be less talk about sandbagging. Now there is more talk about it than there actually is IMO. Someone loses and they don't want to
admit it so they say that they are laying down.
Watch players that lose a few in a row..... others automatically TALK about them dumping and then they don't like admitting defeat so they say
something about going down. Crazy.
I am a SL7 and a SL 9 and know what I average. Not the best but not the worst either. For me its what I can do when I get a chance and lately
I havent been where I want to be. I guess I can claim to be trying to go down
After beating an 8 75-20 2 weeks ago I played a 3 Monday night and only made it to 48 before he got to 25. He was playing inside english 2 rail shots and in one game he came straight on the 8 and he drew back with reverse english to get to the other end of the table for the 9! The whole team were sandbagging but the best part of the night was when I scratched on a break and their whole team (about 8 players) stood up and applauded!! Bunch of morons. Boulevard in Ridley Park PA Monday passed.
