Sandbaggin thief !!!

[vladmin]

I'll play as well. I used to be a 6 in 8 ball and a 7 in 9 ball. But I feel like a weak 3 now. So let's set-it up. I believe 6-2 would be the race. $50s would do ? LOL

I have a guy that I will back to play you even. 8/9 ball, 14.1, Snooker, barbox, 9ft, you name the place and game.

But it's not gonna be for $50s

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Hey Taz, Kawartha Pool league is a bush league, alot of weak players. Our CPA is more condensed with stronger players. No, I was a six that went up to a seven last wednesday, but since Jack reid played one lower I thought I would too, plus a few others. By the way Taz, if you ever want to play for anything give me a post, untill then shut your mouth and grow up!

Is this an open invite to play for cash, or just for Taz? Just wanted to know if you actually think you're good, or just better than Taz. If you play some sets with Dan, let me know - he has my number.

 

[Cardinal_Syn]

Well, the league operator should be the one responsible for making sure that people dont jump 2 levels in 6 weeks. As per the CPA manual, whoever does that could be expelled from the league for sandbagging. Or something along the lines...

At the same time, if the league operator goes on vacation (which he is most definitely entitled to) he should get his lackeys to take care of how the league is running. But, judging by the people who are below him in the hierarchy, there is no hope for that ...

Well the league operator should have no concerns about some other leagues tournament. TAP leagues responsible for their own handicap no one else. I don't know on what really happened and why he got bumped 2 handicaps in 6 weeks (unless you're a new player) but my stats were updated. Maybe there was no one in Peterborough to do the updates I don't know but I'll give him that benefit of the doubt.

 

[vladmin]

Well the league operator should have no concerns about some other leagues tournament. TAP leagues responsible for their own handicap no one else. I don't know on what really happened and why he got bumped 2 handicaps in 6 weeks (unless you're a new player) but my stats were updated. Maybe there was no one in Peterborough to do the updates I don't know but I'll give him that benefit of the doubt.

I wasnt reffering to Peterborough or Scarborough or TAP division. I am just reffering in general to the way some league operators allow things like this to happen.

You guys won a trip in the Scarborough divison so I understand your appreciation towards what the league operator has done there. However, you know as well the problems that are generating because of the way the "equalizer" works.

 

[Galleyman]

On another note I don't see why you got to bring Jack into this, He's got nothing to do with this posting and He does play in tap. That is his skill level in tap. You on the other hand decided to tell people that you were a 5 when already you are atleast a 6. Am I missing something hear????
You tell me to shut up and grow up but yet your the one coming up with all these stories. Oh and yeah, you told me that I should break and run more often...on one of your posts. Maybe I should follow your lead and every tourny I join I'll tell them that I'm a 5.lol. Man your FUNNY!!! oh and by the way I'm sur that there are alot of other players that would love to play you. So If your game is so strong you should invite all the other shooters in on some of your hot action.... and hey you can bring Matt to be your backer, I heard he's got some extra $$$ in his back pocket.

p.s. Don't worry I'm not going to ask for a spot. Although you might be a better player then me, I will still play you heads up.

In your eyes, you guys got played. The cash went this way this time, it might go your way next. It gets washed around anyway. If your sour about it, tell your TD to investigate it a little further next time. I was the one telling him to call our league operator, he refused. We were not hiding anything by telling him that. Six weeks before tourney, this was our handicaps, why would I tell him to call League Operator if I did not honestly think it would rectify the situation in our favour. I think you should be aiming some frustration in another direction.

By the way I will accept cash games no problem. Let me know Taz! "A friendly game for 50.00 sounds good". I hope you are not angry with me I didnt even win the tournament, I was just following the rules of your TD! I am not here to make enemies!!! Good luck in your future play.

 

[Cardinal_Syn]

I wasnt reffering to Peterborough or Scarborough or TAP division. I am just reffering in general to the way some league operators allow things like this to happen.

You guys won a trip in the Scarborough divison so I understand your appreciation towards what the league operator has done there. However, you know as well the problems that are generating because of the way the "equalizer" works.

Vlad, I respect you as a player and I fully understand why you're frustrated in the system which is probably the main reason why you quit. I'm not quite sure as to what you're trying to imply when you say that I appreciated what John has done for us winning a trip. As far as I'm concerned we worked hard for that trip and it was a team effort. I'm a fair guy, I call it the way I see it. I'm not trying to defend John just cause you think he did us a favour, just trying to be fair. I wouldn't have posted the stats if I was trying to cover someones ass, but like I said before he had nothing to do with the situation. Although it's subtle, it's obvious that you have issues with John. Whatever it is, it's not my business.

I've never heard of the term sandbagging until I joined a league 2-3 years ago. Before I used to just play tournaments. To be honest with you all the systems has their flaw and all leagues has sandbaggers. One would just have to choose between the lesser of two evils so to speak.

 

[vladmin]

Vlad, I respect you as a player and I fully understand why you're frustrated in the system which is probably the main reason why you quit. I'm not quite sure as to what you're trying to imply when you say that I appreciated what John has done for us winning a trip. As far as I'm concerned we worked hard for that trip and it was a team effort. I'm a fair guy, I call it the way I see it. I'm not trying to defend John just cause you think he did us a favour, just trying to be fair. I wouldn't have posted the stats if I was trying to cover someones ass, but like I said before he had nothing to do with the situation. Although it's subtle, it's obvious that you have issues with John. Whatever it is, it's not my business.

I've never heard of the term sandbagging until I joined a league 2-3 years ago. Before I used to just play tournaments. To be honest with you all the systems has their flaw and all leagues has sandbaggers. One would just have to choose between the lesser of two evils so to speak.

Julius, first of all I apologize if I made it look like you guys didnt deserve to win that trip. You guys played your heart out, won the whole thing, hats off.
I'm not going to comment on the John part. What happened in the past is in the past and will be left there. That's why I quit CPA and I play tournaments. (later edit) John made it possible for you by bringing the league to Scarborough and providing the funds for the trip that you guys won. Thats all.

On a different note though, it is sad to see how people take advantage of the system and how whoever is in charges of running these leagues is not doing enough to prevent these things from happening.

It's about time, money, effort and all the other things that you invest in these leagues.

 

[The Beginner]

Julius, first of all I apologize if I made it look like you guys didnt deserve to win that trip. You guys played your heart out, won the whole thing, hats off.
I'm not going to comment on the John part. What happened in the past is in the past and will be left there. That's why I quit CPA and I play tournaments. (later edit) John made it possible for you by bringing the league to Scarborough and providing the funds for the trip that you guys won. Thats all.

On a different note though, it is sad to see how people take advantage of the system and how whoever is in charges of running these leagues is not doing enough to prevent these things from happening.

It's about time, money, effort and all the other things that you invest in these leagues.

Julius team were sandbagging that's why they won the tournament and went to Vegas hahahahha...Julius should be an 8 not a 5 or 6...:grin-square: I'm a weak 4 in CPA..but i will play Julius even for 8 ball or 9 ball match....lol

 

[ba2can]

i just tell it like it is...

you played as a s/l 3 knowing you are way better than a s/l3 (for TAP or CPA)
really its not all your fault
the sheet said your a 3
way to take advantage of the situation... very honorable

it doesnt matter how anybody else shoots,,, its how you shoot... and being s/l 3 was grossly under-handicap... i saw with my own eyes it wasnt even believable that you were an S/L3... anyone that is knowledgeble in pool knows that (britney, taz, alfonso, mel) ...

c'est la vie

the past is the past... hopefully everyone has learn from this debacle

Hey, someone should post how to prevent sandbanging form tournaments.

 

[D_Lewis]

Hey Taz, Kawartha Pool league is a bush league, alot of weak players. Our CPA is more condensed with stronger players. No, I was a six that went up to a seven last wednesday, but since Jack reid played one lower I thought I would too, plus a few others. By the way Taz, if you ever want to play for anything give me a post, untill then shut your mouth and grow up!

Is this an open invite? Im a 6, gotta spot me. I'll bring a CPA/TAP sheet to show it. Im in for un-friendly $50s and up. (Im way too much of a jerk to play for friendly $50s)

Bring Matt! And cash!

Is this an open invite to play for cash, or just for Taz? Just wanted to know if you actually think you're good, or just better than Taz. If you play some sets with Dan, let me know - he has my number.

Im first, you can play second.

 

[D_Lewis]

Julius team were sandbagging that's why they won the tournament and went to Vegas hahahahha...Julius should be an 8 not a 5 or 6...:grin-square: I'm a weak 4 in CPA..but i will play Julius even for 8 ball or 9 ball match....lol

I will play you as a SL4 in 8 ball, for $3.

 

[vladmin]

I will play you as a SL4 in 8 ball, for $3.

I'll play you as a 6 but you gotta spot me 3 games. For $5

 

[D_Lewis]

I'll play you as a 6 but you gotta spot me 3 games. For $5

$3 is my max, pay double for a shutout.

 

[tarcisio]

In your eyes, you guys got played. The cash went this way this time, it might go your way next. It gets washed around anyway. If your sour about it, tell your TD to investigate it a little further next time. I was the one telling him to call our league operator, he refused. We were not hiding anything by telling him that. Six weeks before tourney, this was our handicaps, why would I tell him to call League Operator if I did not honestly think it would rectify the situation in our favour. I think you should be aiming some frustration in another direction.

By the way I will accept cash games no problem. Let me know Taz! "A friendly game for 50.00 sounds good". I hope you are not angry with me I didnt even win the tournament, I was just following the rules of your TD! I am not here to make enemies!!! Good luck in your future play.

Like I said Mike, I'll be at On Cue on Thurs. And it's not about being angry at you for winning and not winning. It's about How I have to "Shut up and grow up". If you read all my postings you'll see that not once, have I called anyone a SandBagger. Not Once did I bring any Mal Intent to anyone,etc. All in All I think I've been very diplomatic. I stated what I saw were facts.and I thought that trip thru south america was funny.... and somewhat informative. I bet any money that there were readers that googled or wikipdiad some of the stuff I wrote.lol. I know I did.
I'm the kind of guy that does not get pissed very often unless the guy is a total jerk or cheat's by saying that it's not a foul when it is.I like playing pool because it's a beautiful sport. It's a mixture of all types of skills needed to play this game.I also love fair competition.
I will be at On cue, See you there Bud.

 

[Cardinal_Syn]

Julius team were sandbagging that's why they won the tournament and went to Vegas hahahahha...Julius should be an 8 not a 5 or 6...:grin-square: I'm a weak 4 in CPA..but i will play Julius even for 8 ball or 9 ball match....lol

ok Jun, I'll play you even for the cheese. Race to 1 8/9 for chicken wings and maybe korean bbq that's how serious I am. But only race to 1...that's the only way I might get lucky lol

 

[nibz]

What time are you guys going? I wanna play...probably not as good as you guys but i`ll take a game either way? send me a pm for thursday

 

[poolscool]

I've read this thread and I cannot help but laugh at it. :lmao:

So a guy plays in a TAP tournament at 2 levels below his APA handicap and wins it. What is so shocking about this? This happens on a weekly basis during regular league play. I've seen APA 7s play as 5s in TAP and APA 6s play as 4s in TAP. If this guy joined the TAP league he would likely be a 3 anyway.

If there is any blame to go around it would have to go to the tournament director, yet many of the posters here defend the TD and blame the player. If he ran a handicapped tournament he shouldn't register an unknown player as a low handicapped player. DUH!!

Methinks he wanted to recruit this guy to switch to TAP, and like all the TAP league operators, one of their best recruiting incentives is to offer all APA players a reduced skill level. This is no secret.

 

[Danktrees]

ok Jun, I'll play you even for the cheese. Race to 1 8/9 for chicken wings and maybe korean bbq that's how serious I am. But only race to 1...that's the only way I might get lucky lol

Race to 50 for buko juice...get it done.

 

[The Beginner]

I will play you as a SL4 in 8 ball, for $3.

Sorry dan I can only afford $2.99 cdn

ok Jun, I'll play you even for the cheese. Race to 1 8/9 for chicken wings and maybe korean bbq that's how serious I am. But only race to 1...that's the only way I might get lucky lol

Done...my break first...lol or just what Cedric says...race to 50 for buko juice or make it 2 buko juice..hahahaha

 

[poolscool]

how ? were u there ? i didn't think so ! so how would u know if he was gettin 5 to 6 shots @ the table or not ? how would u know if the 6's and 7's were playin poorly ? because of what some dip@#$t buddy of his said well he was there ? how do u know if the 6's and 7's didn't try their guts out and still there was absolutely NOTHING they could do about it because Matt played just as smart as them ? seems like he knows all the shots ! since u were not there, what the hell would u know about it anyhow ? MATT, I DON'T KNOW HOW U SLEEP AT NIGHT, BUT U OTTA BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF !!! AND NOW "(FINALLY)" THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT UR A TRUE SANDBAGGER !!! and thats all i got 2 say about that !!! ps: Dan, trust me ! 5 to 3 race ur in REAL TOUGH with that guy !!! this is for Cuetips by the way

:crying:

Whine much?

How is he a sandbagger? Sandbagging is defined as deliberately playing below one's ability. From the sounds of it, he played above his assigned skill level. The TD told him what his skill level would be in the tournament and happily took his entry money. He went through all the rounds unscathed and won it. He wasn't DQ'd nor even had his skill level raised in the tournament. As such, he deserved his win.