Sandbaggin thief !!!

:crying:

Whine much?

How is he a sandbagger? Sandbagging is defined as deliberately playing below one's ability. From the sounds of it, he played above his assigned skill level. The TD told him what his skill level would be in the tournament and happily took his entry money. He went through all the rounds unscathed and won it. He wasn't DQ'd nor even had his skill level raised in the tournament. As such, he deserved his win.

boy u sure r STUPID !!! :withstupid::speechless: APPARENTLY IF U WERE PAYING ATTENTION U WOULD C THAT HE PLAYED HIS TRUE ABILITY !!! APPARENTLY WHICH WAS MUCH STRONGER THAN HIS BULLS@#T HANDICAP AS A 3 !!! AND U THINK HE DESERVED HIS WIN ? R U F@#$KIN NUTS OR R U JUST IN ON IT 2 ? I'M SURPRISED HE DIDN'T GET ROBBED AS SOON AS HE WALKED OUT THE FRONT DOOR !!! AND THE REASON Y HE DIDN'T GET DQ'D OR HAVE HIS SKILL LEVEL RAISED IS PROBABLY BECAUSE THE TD WAS EITHER IN ON IT OR TRYING 2 RECRUIT HIM 2 SWITCH 2 TAP FROM CPA WHICH SEEMS VERY STUPID CAUSE THIS GUY LIVES FAR FROM TORONTO ! AFTER ALL RUMOR HAS IT THAT THIS TD IS OFFERING 1 OR 2 SKILL LEVELS LOWER JUST 2 JOIN HIS LEAGUE WHICH SOUNDS PRETTY STUPID 2 ME ! HE EVEN ERASED ALL THE INFO WITH THE ENTRANTS AND THEIR SKILL LEVELS FROM THE TIME OF REGISTRATION APPARENTLY ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE WHERE THE NAMES WERE LISTED 4 THAT TOURNAMENT IN THE VERY BEGINNING ! NOW IF THAT DON'T SOUND FISHY I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES ! EITHER WAY, YA SURE HE SHOULD'VE HAD HIS SPOT RAISED OR GOT DQ'D FROM THE TOURNEY 4 THAT DAY ! NOT JUST BE ALLOWED 2 GO ON RIPPING EVERYBODY OFF 4 THE REST OF THE DAY ! IDIOT !!! :nono::barf:
 
Thoughts of the day
1) CPA handicaps are ****ed
2) I dont believe G-Corn would let someone sneak into his tournament under-ranked if he had knowledge of it
3) Who are you Chokecola?
 
Very sad this thread is...I have played in state an national level tourneys,an alway had to show membership card an pic Id. Sad...was the TD the league Op too?
 
This thread has more 1st time posters than any other thread. I wonder if they are really 1st time poster or sandbaggin 2000 + posters.
 
food for thought

both galleyman and wagz101 or should we say mke and matt should not be able to play in any tournament from now on- even if it's cpa, tap or a independant tournament. hopefully the word gets out to every honest player who likes to play pool :wink:
 
This thread has more 1st time posters than any other thread. I wonder if they are really 1st time poster or sandbaggin 2000 + posters.

Looking back through I get your point....I am basically a first time poster.
But I am not new to league play,or tournaments..I have to much heart to sandbag.
Diffently haven't posted 2000 plus post..I am from Oregon..just thought the thread
Was sad...I've never seen a 3 go thro..so many high skill leved people..then to hear he was a 5...well yes this is wrong..but it should have been caught..had the membership
Number been ran..I can go on line run my number an know what teams I have played
On ...how many matchs I've played...win percentage an skill level..
This what I meant by sad....no ill will meant..
 
Looking back through I get your point....I am basically a first time poster.
But I am not new to league play,or tournaments..I have to much heart to sandbag.
Diffently haven't posted 2000 plus post..I am from Oregon..just thought the thread
Was sad...I've never seen a 3 go thro..so many high skill leved people..then to hear he was a 5...well yes this is wrong..but it should have been caught..had the membership
Number been ran..I can go on line run my number an know what teams I have played
On ...how many matchs I've played...win percentage an skill level..
This what I meant by sad....no ill will meant..

Not directed at any individual, I just noticed a lot of first time posters. I can't remember another thread having so many new guys posting. Even after I posted another 1st post member.
 
both galleyman and wagz101 or should we say mke and matt should not be able to play in any tournament from now on- even if it's cpa, tap or a independant tournament. hopefully the word gets out to every honest player who likes to play pool :wink:

Who is this? Every honest player, lol! If a tournament director drops the ball and does not follow up with a suspected handicap, dont blame the guy holding the cue, even when we told him to investigate it further.
 
Who is this? Every honest player, lol! If a tournament director drops the ball and does not follow up with a suspected handicap, dont blame the guy holding the cue, even when we told him to investigate it further.

As far as I'm concerned the TD is only about %15 responsible for this. it's unrealistic to expect that a TD can research every player in a tournment, especially when you have players coming from other jurisdictions and registering the day of the tournament.

%85 of the responsibility lies on the player who decided to try flying under the radar and robbing a tournment because he played at a significantly lower handicapp.

I don't buy any of the arguements that his lower handicapp was because his league director hadn't updated the stats in 6 weeks.

I'm familiar enough with the CPA/APA handicapping system to know that a SL 3 shouldn't be running tables.
 
As far as I'm concerned the TD is only about %15 responsible for this. it's unrealistic to expect that a TD can research every player in a tournment, especially when you have players coming from other jurisdictions and registering the day of the tournament.

%85 of the responsibility lies on the player who decided to try flying under the radar and robbing a tournment because he played at a significantly lower handicapp.

I don't buy any of the arguements that his lower handicapp was because his league director hadn't updated the stats in 6 weeks.

I'm familiar enough with the CPA/APA handicapping system to know that a SL 3 shouldn't be running tables.


I think it is the TD responisibilty, and in the tourneys best interest to attempt to have people play at their proper handicap. No, he should not to do extensive research on every player. He needs to demand the proof from the player. I mentioned this in my first post on this thread.

The burden is on the player, not the TD. The player is responsible to provide proof of identity and handicap. The TD is at fault for NOT holding the player up to his responsibilty. The TD's stance should be " I am busy organizing the tournament. Either you provide proof of your handicap as a 3 or you can play as a 6" Now the td has done his job of protecting the tournament without taking away too much time from his other duties AND PLACING THE BURDEN WHERE IT BELONGS- ON THE PLAYER.

Now the player can choose- 1, come up with verification of his handicap, 2- play as a SL6, 3- do not play at all.

As I said before, WATCH HOW FAST A REAL SL 3 WILL COME UP WITH SOME WAY OF PROVING HIS HANDICAP WHEN FACED WITH HAVING TO PLAY 3 LEVELS HIGHER!

In this scenario, you have a chance of ONE player whining and being upset or the entire rest of the field! Which makes more sense? The player who shows up to play without any proof, or the rest of the players who are playing by the rules?

When you show up to play at an event like that, you have to know that you will be expected to show some ID and verify your SL. If you get penalized, you have no one else to blame!


But still, the bottom line is that it only happened because it was allowed to! That is where the TD failed. His first responsiblity is to his tournamnet field as a whole. This is the very thing that kills events like this.


BTW- Even assuming the TD made the mistake of letting this player in unverified, how do you ignore it when this same unverified player continues on round after round? It seems that some people had brought it to the TD attention. Halfway through, when he is still winning, you hear people complaining, maybe you should go check it out for yourself? I know that the losers will always cry, but it should have rung a bell. " wait a minute, isn't this the same guy who was a little fishy about proving his handicap?" He keeps winning. Someone else complains. At what point do you feel he should get involved?

I am not saying that just because sombody is playing good and winning that there should be changes. You are supposed to be rewarded for good play. I am just saying that there was enough to set off alarms to warrant a little bit of attention by the TD. Maybe a check on a website, or a phone call. It should have been addressed. If the handicap checkes out, then you can tell all the others to deal with it, but at least it would not have just been ignored.


Jw
 
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As far as I'm concerned the TD is only about %15 responsible for this. it's unrealistic to expect that a TD can research every player in a tournment, especially when you have players coming from other jurisdictions and registering the day of the tournament.

%85 of the responsibility lies on the player who decided to try flying under the radar and robbing a tournment because he played at a significantly lower handicapp.

I don't buy any of the arguements that his lower handicapp was because his league director hadn't updated the stats in 6 weeks.

I'm familiar enough with the CPA/APA handicapping system to know that a SL 3 shouldn't be running tables.

What radar and what robbery? The TD let him play right to the end as a 3, gave him his money and even congratulated him on the facebook page dedicated to the tournament. Unless the TD was complicit in all of this, that doesn't sound like "robbery" to me.

Bottom line is that the rest of the participants were depending on the TD to check the credentials of the players. Perhaps they might have thought twice about entering a tournament where unknown players get to handicap themselves, particularly at a very low ranking.
 
Just for everyone's information. I asked my League Operator to check the database and see if anything comes up (my L.O. has previosly told me he has access to view all players handicaps in the national database).

He told me he came back with Matt Wagar out of Peterborough. He is listed as a 5 in 8-ball and a 6 in 9-ball. If he was alowed to play as a 3 then it is because he lied, not because he sandbagged.
 
Just for everyone's information. I asked my League Operator to check the database and see if anything comes up (my L.O. has previosly told me he has access to view all players handicaps in the national database).

He told me he came back with Matt Wagar out of Peterborough. He is listed as a 5 in 8-ball and a 6 in 9-ball. If he was alowed to play as a 3 then it is because he lied, not because he sandbagged.

Yeah, which this is worse. This guy should be banned from all tournaments just for doing something retarded like that. If I ever see him at a 404 or another tournament I will certainly let the TD what he did and hope hes not allowed to play.

I still consider that sandbagging though, hes lying about his real handicap to steal the cheese.
 
Just for everyone's information. I asked my League Operator to check the database and see if anything comes up (my L.O. has previosly told me he has access to view all players handicaps in the national database).

He told me he came back with Matt Wagar out of Peterborough. He is listed as a 5 in 8-ball and a 6 in 9-ball. If he was alowed to play as a 3 then it is because he lied, not because he sandbagged.

No, if he was allowed to play as a 3 it is because the TD let him play as a 3. Who was in control there, the players or the TD? I would never enter a handicapped tournament if I knew that unknown players were allowed to make up their own skill level, unless they offered themselves up as a 7.
 
What radar and what robbery? The TD let him play right to the end as a 3, gave him his money and even congratulated him on the facebook page dedicated to the tournament. Unless the TD was complicit in all of this, that doesn't sound like "robbery" to me.

Bottom line is that the rest of the participants were depending on the TD to check the credentials of the players. Perhaps they might have thought twice about entering a tournament where unknown players get to handicap themselves, particularly at a very low ranking.

Thank you! Matt came in at low handicap, that is agreed upon. But it was communicated to us that if you go from the CPA to the TAP league you can play one handicap lower. We also thought this was applicable to the tournament as well, I brought this up in an earlier posting. He bounced between 3 to 5 in 8 ball. At the time we left for tournament, with website not being updated, Matt was a 4, I believe. So, with the adjustment of one handicap lower he played as a three. I would like to ask everyone who is badmouthing Matt, to politely stop it. He is a good kid, that is full of good intentions. I like George, I think he is a great person and is a very good pool player, I just think the handicap issue was clouded and not run efficiently due to the fact that the TAP league wants to invade CPA territory in Scarborough. That is my opinion and I could be wrong, but I am still entitled to it. Thank you.
 
Thank you! Matt came in at low handicap, that is agreed upon. But it was communicated to us that if you go from the CPA to the TAP league you can play one handicap lower. We also thought this was applicable to the tournament as well, I brought this up in an earlier posting. He bounced between 3 to 5 in 8 ball. At the time we left for tournament, with website not being updated, Matt was a 4, I believe. So, with the adjustment of one handicap lower he played as a three. I would like to ask everyone who is badmouthing Matt, to politely stop it. He is a good kid, that is full of good intentions. I like George, I think he is a great person and is a very good pool player, I just think the handicap issue was clouded and not run efficiently due to the fact that the TAP league wants to invade CPA territory in Scarborough. That is my opinion and I could be wrong, but I am still entitled to it. Thank you.

Couple of things I noticed here
-he said he was a 3 because he noticed other players going in one under their CPA handicap, correct?
-you had been saying all along that he was only a 3?
-TAP does want to invade scarberia, CPA sucks balls
-there were other players who were offered to play one lower then their established handicaps also
-George is an excellent guy and I highly doubt he will put himself in a situation like this again running a tournament. Its quite unfortunate that Matt had to win the tournament to stir up all of this trouble.
 
Couple of things I noticed here
-he said he was a 3 because he noticed other players going in one under their CPA handicap, correct?
-you had been saying all along that he was only a 3?
-TAP does want to invade scarberia, CPA sucks balls
-there were other players who were offered to play one lower then their established handicaps also
-George is an excellent guy and I highly doubt he will put himself in a situation like this again running a tournament. Its quite unfortunate that Matt had to win the tournament to stir up all of this trouble.

CPA does suck but from what I see, TAP sucks as well. How can you not see a 3 winning game after game ? As a TD you should monitor and look at these things and as a LO for TAP you should have some knowledge and see the difference between luck and sandbagging.

I'm not defending Matt nor the TD. They both ****ed up IMO
 
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