sandbagging ?

Banks said:
Yep, I'm aware of that stuff. Was just saying that a new player can have a 30 inning loss against a 3 and drop from a 4 to a 2. Male players could be 2's, but I think they don't allow male 1's or 2's in Vegas, iirc. I've seen people go all over the place. One friend was a 7/4 for a while, because he couldn't get his 9b game going. Another was a 5/8 because his 8b game sucked. I've seen a couple of people go up/down 2 spots in a week right at the beginning, but that starting rating(4) is fairly accurate for the average skill of a new player, give or take a rating.

Unless you play 9.. then you still have a couple of ratings to go to squeeze you off the team. :(
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You could be right, but I've never seen a male 2 in my league area. Never seen someone go down 2 spots either. Been in apa since 2002. Apa practice has always been once you reach a handicap, you can go down 1 spot, but never more then that. Unless there are special circumstances....such as physical disability, etc. But there is always an appeals process.

Again, not saying you are wrong, just never seen it happen that way.
 
buckshotshoey said:
You could be right, but I've never seen a male 2 in my league area. Never seen someone go down 2 spots either. Been in apa since 2002. Apa practice has always been once you reach a handicap, you can go down 1 spot, but never more then that. Unless there are special circumstances....such as physical disability, etc. But there is always an appeals process.

Again, not saying you are wrong, just never seen it happen that way.
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It can happen at the beginning, when people are still getting their first 10 matches in. Not often, but it does happen because the numbers are still so mallable. After that, you're correct, can't drop 2 unless there's a medical reason, I think.
 
Scott Lee said:
buckshotshoey...You might be...since that league will pay out more money to the teams competing at the national tournament than anybody ever has...$1,000,000 cash (not prizes) paid out to 100 teams. First place is $250,000.
http://poolknowledge.com
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Skeptical that they will....intrigued that they might. But, money isn't the most important thing. At best, it could do a lot of good things for the sport. At the worst, it could bring all the cock roaches out of the woodwork. I don't think too many new shooters will get involved. They wouldn't stand a chance if safeties were pointless. Think about it for a minute. If it is a non handicap league, most shooters would figure "what's the point, I won't stand a chance". I will keep an open mind on it though.



Banks said:
It can happen at the beginning, when people are still getting their first 10 matches in. Not often, but it does happen because the numbers are still so mallable. After that, you're correct, can't drop 2 unless there's a medical reason, I think.
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Which brings me to the point....the poster I was referring to said that shooter was a 7, or a 6 all day long. No way he could have lost that bad. Unless something is going on we don't know about.
 
I haven't read all the posts in this thread.

APA basically determines your handicap based on innings, winning percent and skill level of your opponent.

NAPA if I am not mistaken is simply based on win/loss percent.

They are calculated completely differently.

Also, if we are talking about APA 9ball you cannot compare it at all to other leagues since it isn't really 9ball at all.

For example, in APA you can run the 1ball-8ball and miss on the 9ball. Your opponent makes it and not you are ahead 8-2. In other leagues you would be down 0-1.
 
TheNewSharkster said:
I haven't read all the posts in this thread.

APA basically determines your handicap based on innings, winning percent and skill level of your opponent.

NAPA if I am not mistaken is simply based on win/loss percent.

They are calculated completely differently.

Also, if we are talking about APA 9ball you cannot compare it at all to other leagues since it isn't really 9ball at all.

For example, in APA you can run the 1ball-8ball and miss on the 9ball. Your opponent makes it and not you are ahead 8-2. In other leagues you would be down 0-1.
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i used strictly 8 ball s/l's in my stats because i realize 9 ball is completely different in these 2 leagues..

as another napa player posted in here ...an apa 5 with an 81 napa handicap stands out.

an apa s/l 5 to me is an average player. a napa 81 that is ranked 17th in points indicates a pretty strong player.

the other guy is a 73 with a 14-1 record so far this year indicates he started out with a s/l of 58 ...about what i am in napa. . in napa with a regular win you will go up 1 point. there are variables such as rackless....break and runs...and the handicap of your opponent that will affect your points also such as me being a 56 and beating an 85 i went up 2 points after that match.

also what stood out to me was these apa 5's being ranked just as high if not higher than apa 7's who also play napa.

an apa 5 with a 14-1 record in a serious players league can only muster a 4-6 record in " a supposedly banger league " ? nah.. i aint buying that .it ain't like napa is full of apa 2's and 3's that he is beating up on every week.

for the record ...when i started this thread i was not crying or complaining. i simply asked a question. do you think that based on the stats i posted is it apparent to you that they are displaying a higher level of playing ability in napa vs apa.?
 
buckshotshoey...It is handicapped. Lesser skilled players get ball-in-hand more times each game. I played in a tournament under GPPA rules last weekend, just to understand how the rules and match play worked. Mike Sigel was there to explain the rules, and sign a few autographs. It's not as easy as you might think. Like most things, we need to keep an open mind, and see how things pan out. It was certainly more fun than Bonus Ball, imo.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

buckshotshoey said:
Skeptical that they will....intrigued that they might. But, money isn't the most important thing. At best, it could do a lot of good things for the sport. At the worst, it could bring all the cock roaches out of the woodwork. I don't think too many new shooters will get involved. They wouldn't stand a chance if safeties were pointless. Think about it for a minute. If it is a non handicap league, most shooters would figure "what's the point, I won't stand a chance". I will keep an open mind on it though.
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Scott Lee said:
buckshotshoey...It is handicapped. Lesser skilled players get ball-in-hand more times each game. I played in a tournament under GPPA rules last weekend, just to understand how the rules and match play worked. Mike Sigel was there to explain the rules, and sign a few autographs. It's not as easy as you might think. Like most things, we need to keep an open mind, and see how things pan out. It was certainly more fun than Bonus Ball, imo.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Does the league ha e a website? I will cbeck it out. Doubt my area will ever see it though.
All leagues are shrinking here. Apa, valley, city league....all withering.
 
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