Schon cues

jed1894

jed1894

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I see a lot of these cues for sale and have always heard good things about them (from this site), but I've never tried one. I understand it has a 5/16 - 14(like Joss) pin, but what makes them (in some opinions) play so much better than say, a Joss or other similiar type cue? Or do they play any better? Will the average player notice difference? I guess what I'm asking is what makes them so special?

Also, I'm very interested in anyone that has a Schon as well as a Joss, Viking and McDermott and can give a comparison to each. Those are cues that I have so I would understand the comparison a little better.

thanks guys, JED

P.S. looking for a Father's day present and a Schon would be a good one.
 
i'd go ahead and say after you change the tip they come with than they'd play hands down better than vikings or mcdermotts. joss cues play pretty good to me but they're a little thick in the hand to me
 
poolplayer2093 said:
i'd go ahead and say after you change the tip they come with than they'd play hands down better than vikings or mcdermotts. joss cues play pretty good to me but they're a little thick in the hand to me
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Yeah, I was wondering about that "Schon tip." What is it exactly? What does it compare to?

Also, you say the Joss is a little thick. Are you talking about the 13.25 standare shaft? Do you know how would it compare if the shafts were the same?

JED
 
Nope ...

A Joss butt is thicker then a Schon ... There is just something about a Schon in it's taper and balance that feels good in your hands and they have a very good hit to them... They say the R series put out when Runde was at Schon hit the best ... I have owned both and think both the Runde's and the newer Schons that Evan Clarke designs and puts out now hit good... I bought my first Schon an R - 11 in the early eighties and Schon has been my playing cue ever since ... I own others and shoot with them from time to time ... But most of the time I shoot with a Schon.

As for Schons tip it is some sort of layered leather tip they claim as thier own I had a friend say they remind him of a water buffalo tip ... I'm not that crazy about them either and take them off pretty quick and put a sniper on ...
 
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The King said:
A Joss butt is thicker then a Schon ... There is just something about a Schon in it's taper and balance that feels good in your hands and they have a very good hit to them... They say the R series put out when Runde was at Schon hit the best ... I have owned both and think both the Runde's and the newer Schons that Evan Clarke designs and puts out now hit good... I bought my first Schon an R - 11 in the early eighties and Schon has been my playing cue ever since ... I own others and shoot with them from time to time ... But most of the time I shoot with a Schon.

As for Schons tip it is some sort of layered leather tip they claim as thier own I had a friend say they remind him of a water buffalo tip ... I'm not that crazy about them either and take them off pretty quick and put a sniper on ...
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I see in your "my cues" section under your name that you have a few Joss cues. Being a new owner of one (Joss), I was wondering what your opinion is the Joss compared to the Schon (since you have both). I haven't spent a lot of time with my Joss yet, but so far I like the cue. Given the same tip (Triangle) how do you think they compare? Is it worth the extra money for the Schon? JED
 
I should preface this by saying that I'm currently looking to replace my playing cue (a Joss), and Schon is one of a couple companies that I'm considering.

I'll echo a couple of other people and say that the Joss is a little thicker through the wrap and butt cap. I haven't done any measurements, but I'd guess the difference is no more than a millimeter or two. Even still, that's the main reason that I'm looking for a new playing cue right now.

As for the shaft...I have a Joss that came from the factory at 13mm, and I put a Triangle hard tip on it. I love the way the shaft plays, but it took me some time to get used to the taper. By that I mean the shaft starts to get wider closer to the tip than with some other shafts that I've used. I only really noticed it on the follow through when I was stretching a litle bit for a shot, but it was enough to throw me when I first got the cue. This has been my playing cue for 5 years or so, and I don't notice the taper at all anymore.

I've shot with a few of my buddies' schons, and while I can't say for certain what type of tip those had on them, I'd describe the hit as stiffer than the joss, but not by a whole lot.

The other major difference that I've noticed is the workmanship on the Schons tends to be just a little bit higher quality. For example, the ring work seems to be flush with the rest of the cue, whereas it's slightly off on my Joss.

They're both great cues though, and in all, I'd say they play pretty similarly. You can't go wrong with either one as far as I'm concerned.

Hope that helps! Happy shopping :)
 
i don't know what the tip is that comes with a schon but it is rock hard and i didn't like it. the schons to me seem to be a bit too thin in the but. i'd rather go with the joss if that were the deciding factor. but i think that all things being equal schons are the better value.
 
I can't say anything about the tips, but if you like Joss you'll like the Schon. I assume you're playing with a steel jointed Joss and a lot of people feel that the hit of the Schon is better than the Joss, though not by much. I think Schon makes one of the better production cues, I just don't care for 99.9% of steel joints. Good luck.
 
Pushout said:
I can't say anything about the tips, but if you like Joss you'll like the Schon. I assume you're playing with a steel jointed Joss and a lot of people feel that the hit of the Schon is better than the Joss, though not by much. I think Schon makes one of the better production cues, I just don't care for 99.9% of steel joints. Good luck.
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Yep, it's a steel joint. And you hit the nail on the head. Probably wasting money because I may not notice a difference in the cues.

JEd
 
IMHO::(this is based on dollar for dollar.$-$)Schons dont play the best but they all play great!any one you pick up to play with anywhere in the world!
$-$ JOSS cant be beat(been playing with JOSS cues over 20 years)
 
I have never hit with a schon shaft so I don't know much about the tip but i play with a schon with a predator shaft and I would not change it for anything! It's great!
 
i have a schon and a mcdermott. best way i can describe it is the schon has a stiffer, more crisp hit to it whereas the mcdermott seems alot more soft and dead. the tips are the same, and there is definitely a major difference. i prefer the mcdermott and cant get used to the schon(for sale) but i seem to be the opposite of everyone else for preference.
 
Schon cues are awesome, shaft feels great when stroking, pretty lively feeling steel jointed cue. I just switched to an X-Shaft (as the original shaft has developed a slight roll) and it plays lights out. Also have a leather wrap that was put on after market, cannot stand linen. Schon beats Viking by a long shot, (vikings feel dead) and i prefer the hit of a schon to a Jacoby (the company i think compares to schon the best).

Ben
 
jed1894 said:
I see a lot of these cues for sale and have always heard good things about them (from this site), but I've never tried one. I understand it has a 5/16 - 14(like Joss) pin, but what makes them (in some opinions) play so much better than say, a Joss or other similiar type cue? Or do they play any better? Will the average player notice difference? I guess what I'm asking is what makes them so special?

Also, I'm very interested in anyone that has a Schon as well as a Joss, Viking and McDermott and can give a comparison to each. Those are cues that I have so I would understand the comparison a little better.

thanks guys, JED

P.S. looking for a Father's day present and a Schon would be a good one.
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I have played with a couple of models of Joss and Schon. The Schon feels more solid, some Joss cues have a "ting" sound to the hit when you strike it just right, the Schon's I have tried don't. Although my main cue is a Joss right now, I prefer the Schon hit. I guess the only way to describe it is that it's more solid than a Joss. To me it feels closer to a Black Boar or a Scruggs than a Joss. If you get one, you won't be dissapointed at all. I have yet to run across a bad Schon cue after hitting with about 4-5 of them, using models spanning over 10 years.

I also suggest selling the McD and Viking or use them as break sticks. Get a Schon with 2 shafts, put aside the Joss for someone you like (I plan on giving mine to my 8-yr old son when he is tall enough for a full-size cue), use the either the Viking of McD for a break stick, and sell the other.
 
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jed,

I've played with the same Schon cues for eighteen years. My playing cue was "customized" by Evan Clark about ten years ago (no wrap). I've tried most every combination of joint and pin. I keep going back to my cue.

My break cue is an entry level Schon. It hits hard with a stock shaft. People who have tried my cue comment on how well it hits. They also comment it can't be that good because it doesn't make a funny sound when it hits the cue ball. I care more for results.

Give a Schon a try. Don't worry about the price. A basic cue hits every bit as well as the custom LTD versions.

Lyn
 
Having lived in Wisconsin the vast majority of the time I played pool, I've hit with numerous Schon, McDermott, and Viking cues (all 3 made in Wisconsin, thus very popular with the locals). I owned a McDermott at one time, as well as a Huebler, 2 Sailor cues, a Meucci, a Mali, and a few others. Personally, I love the hit of the Schon. Stiff and crisp, solid, especially the earlier Runde models. Have personally not hit with a much better playing cue, although my playing partner had an older Joss and it played pretty well too. I agree with a previous poster, the McDermott and Viking in general just have a softer hit and can sometimes feel deadened, depends on the cue. I've also hit with a few "bad" Schons that just didn't feel right, but that was a few amongst probably 25 - 30 that I either owned or hit with. And some people didn't like the stiffer hit of the Schon and preferred a McDermott or Viking. Actually the old McDermotts were pretty nice compared to the mass manufactured ones. But, IMO you can't go wrong with the Schon, especially from a resale perspective.

Can't speak to the tips they are using now - they used to use Le Pros when I bought mine and my extra shafts, those tips were harder and hit or miss. I still have a Le Pro on my older Schon that I am now using for a break cue, when it wears out I will upgrade it. The other Schon I play with I'm using a Predator Z2 shaft, love that combination.

Buy the Schon, and happy early Father's Day!!!
Scott
 
Thanks

Thanks for all the words and information. With all that information and the positive feedback, how can I not get one.

Thanks again, JED
 
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