schon gurus, whats an r7?

scottycoyote

scottycoyote

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Ok i have an older schon i picked up off ebay a few years ago. It looked like an sp46 (i think it was) that i saw in an old schon phamplet. I emailed evan at schon with pictures, he says its an ebony and maple r7. Does anyone know anything about this cue, what it sold for or is worth now? R cue, does that mean it was made by Runde? I asked evan for details in my original email but thats all he sent me. I love how this cue hits, just curious about it.
 
Scotty,

i'm no Schon guru but I put some pages together to assist Schon owners like yourself ID their older Schon Cues. Here you go:

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonPage.html

The R series was actually Schons 2nd catalog. These cues were made by Bob Runde. From a collectors standpoint, the first R series cues will have sharp points and stitch rings. This would date the cue to 1982 - 1985 time period mainly (some were made this way for a few more years).

To properly ID your cue it should have six very sharp ebony points, and an ebony butt sleeve with dashes in two circles. There should be a ring in front of the wrap with dashes also.

The R series carried along beyond these dates and the cues were made differently. If you have this early R7 series cue it is pretty rare, and I would say it is worth over $1000.

For rings that are not stitch, you might deduct several hundred dollars. If the points are not sharp, deduct several more hundred.

Chris
 
i dont know man.........mine looks alot more like an sp46 to me. Uneven points that arent sharp. One ring before the wrap and then a solid black one after the wrap and another before the buttcap. I cant get a pic on here theyre too big, i wonder if evan made a mistake or sent me the wrong email
 
send me your picture

scottycoyote said:
i dont know man.........mine looks alot more like an sp46 to me. Uneven points that arent sharp. One ring before the wrap and then a solid black one after the wrap and another before the buttcap. I cant get a pic on here theyre too big, i wonder if evan made a mistake or sent me the wrong email
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send me your picture and I will put them on. Jimmy@unclewaldosbilliards.com
 
I have an R7 of the later variety. I bought mine new about 13 years ago. A local cue collector sold it to me and said it was with the inlay option. Evidently they were plain janes without inlay option. I sent pics to Evan and he said its an R7 with the inlay option. Mine plays real solid and the forearm is stained darker. I don't know what there worth but finding a more solid cue isn't an option for me.

Rod
 
pictures of cue

Here are pictures of scottycoyote Schon cue
 
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thanks for doing that for me waldo. I know the pics aint great but u get the idea. Below the wrap theres a black band, then another"ring" i guess thats just a bunch of little squares, then the rest of the butt then another ring with the squares, another black ring, then the buttcap.
 
scottycoyote said:
thanks for doing that for me waldo. I know the pics aint great but u get the idea. Below the wrap theres a black band, then another"ring" i guess thats just a bunch of little squares, then the rest of the butt then another ring with the squares, another black ring, then the buttcap.
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it looks like an R-7 but the points are just a little off.:p

Just kidding, Evan got that ID wrong this time I'm afraid. He rarely makes mistakes and knows his models extremely well. Pics sometimes are unreliable and you have to ask someone to take more photos and e-mail you again and you just hate to do that.

My friend Bill, who is a big Schon collector and I are discussing ways we can convince Evan to let us post some of his catalogs for collectors so he won't have to dig through the materials. We'll see what comes about.

Schon has the widest ownership and one of the largest followings I've seen of any custom cue maker.

Chris
 
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scottycoyote said:
thanks for doing that for me waldo. I know the pics aint great but u get the idea. Below the wrap theres a black band, then another"ring" i guess thats just a bunch of little squares, then the rest of the butt then another ring with the squares, another black ring, then the buttcap.
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Do the shaft's have Schon written on them?

Chris
 
no neither of the shafts have schon on them, and they have the continuous silver ring on them not the stitched ring. Im assuming these are the originial shafts but i could be wrong. Tate what do you think the stick is? I think its the sp46, if so does anyone know that that stick sold for or is worth now? thanks
 
scottycoyote said:
no neither of the shafts have schon on them, and they have the continuous silver ring on them not the stitched ring. Im assuming these are the originial shafts but i could be wrong. Tate what do you think the stick is? I think its the sp46, if so does anyone know that that stick sold for or is worth now? thanks
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They probably are the original shafts and it looks like it is an SP46. Schon didn't mark their shafts until 1993 or so. The wrap and stain Schon used at that time - the whole cue looks original and dead on for about 1990.

Scotty, these early 1990's Schons are some of the best playing cues available and are very well built, like all Schons. They are not particularly "collectors" cues but they are terrific playing cues. My guesstimate of the original sales price would be around $400. I think it is worth around $500 with two straight shafts in nice condition right at the moment.

Chris
 
ok thanks chris....ive always been curious as to what I had, I think i paid like 350 for it so not bad, and I love how it hits.
 
Chris, What can you tell me about the SP33 cue I have this one and the hit is like no other Schon I have played with. I just got a R-13 that I feel hits the same or better then the SP33 and needs a refinish and was thinking of selling the SP33 for $750.00 do you think this is out of line. Thanks
 
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Chris, What can you tell me about the SP33 cue I have this one and the hit is like no other Schon I have played with. I just got a R-13 that I feel hits the same or better then the SP33 and needs a refinish and was thinking of selling the SP33 for $750.00 do you think this is out of line. Thanks
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Both of those are very nice looking Schons.

Can you tell me a couple of things about both cues - do they have sharp points (milled) and sharp edges on the inlays or are the pockets cut on a pantograph and rounded over? Does the r-13 have stitch rings or nickel-silver?

On the SP 33, does it have two shafts, and is it straight? Do the shafts have any Schon logo?

That would be most helpful,

Chris
 
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TATE said:
Both of those are very nice looking Schons.

Can you tell me a couple of things about both cues - do they have sharp points (milled) and sharp edges on the inlays or are the pockets cut on a pantograph and rounded over? Does the r-13 have stitch rings or nickel-silver?

On the SP 33, does it have two shafts, and is it straight? Do the shafts have any Schon logo?

That would be most helpful,

Chris
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Chris, here is a link to the SP-33 it has 2 shaft and is straight and they don't have any Schon marking on them.
 
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TATE said:
Both of those are very nice looking Schons.

Can you tell me a couple of things about both cues - do they have sharp points (milled) and sharp edges on the inlays or are the pockets cut on a pantograph and rounded over? Does the r-13 have stitch rings or nickel-silver?

On the SP 33, does it have two shafts, and is it straight? Do the shafts have any Schon logo?

That would be most helpful,

Chris
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As for the R-13 it is in need on a refinish it has stich rings and sharp points the inlays look to be pocket cue with sharp edges. This is a great looking cue with the ebony forearm. I read in another post that Gus made some forearms for the early Schons do you know anything about this. here is a link to the R-13
 
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As for the R-13 it is in need on a refinish it has stich rings and sharp points the inlays look to be pocket cue with sharp edges. This is a great looking cue with the ebony forearm. I read in another post that Gus made some forearms for the early Schons do you know anything about this. here is a link to the R-13
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This R-13 with stitch rings makes me drool. It is a very special cue for a number of reasons.

Do not sell it! That's a good find.

Gus didn't make any Schon forearms that I know of - Bob Runde did and he was/is a perfectionist and one hell of a cuemaker too just like Gus was.

The Runde work by then (1983 - 1985) was about as good as anything you could get. I've had a lot of these R model Schons in my hands and they are great cues. Plus since they only made these cues in the fashion of your example for a few years it makes them collectible. While Schon may have continued making the same model with nickel-silver rings after 1985 once they started getting hot, so the stitch ring version would not have been produced in any real quantity.

The reason why your cue is special is primarily because it is the exact R catalog version, same colors and everything (they uised different colored veneers at times) which is real good. Spliced Schons with ebony noses are not common. I have one cue with your same nose in the R-10 version with red veneers. There are not that many schons with ebony fronts.

Why don't you give Bob a call and tell him "those crazy Schon collectors from the West Coast who are firends with Greg Howard" said to call, 262-857-6533. Bob's a nice guy and he's really easy to talk to and I bet he hasn't seen one of those for awhile. He can also make super duper old style shafts, which also can be special ordered from Evan too.

My friend Bill and I are hoping to be able to create a collectors site for old Schons similar to the Palmer site, but since the company is still in business we would like to have their blessing first.

Chris
 
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Chris, here is a link to the SP-33 it has 2 shaft and is straight and they don't have any Schon marking on them.
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I can tell from the information you gave and the pictures, the stain and so forth, the cue was made in about 1989 and it was Schon's early version of a cue laid out with pantographed points.

The cue has veneered points and I believe this cue also had the veneers inlayed into the point after the inlayed point was set. So, everything should be rounded over, inside and out which is consistent.

The SP 33 was not a cheap Schon by any means. The cue retailed for $500. All the inalys are ivory. With two straight shafts I think your $750 is right on the money. Collectors are mostly picking up the earlier cues but these Schons were and are great playing cues so you shouldn't have to take less.

Chris
 
Thanks for the info

Chris, Thanks for the info on the cue and I will have to try and find the thread were the person was talking about Bob Runde buying fronts From Gus in the early days of Schon. The R-13 is a great looking cue and I look forward to getting it back after it is refinished. Thanks
 
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