So I take it you like Schon cues?
Schon hit?
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So I take it you like Schon cues?
IMO...I think the schon now are hit and miss. They play well but not the same as the older ones. LTD and such are the way to go if you like schon's. The shaft wood on those are more hand selected. (just my 2 cents)
I like my older Schon cues with a Schon IV shaft.
They play very good with any of my Schon shafts, but I especially like them with ivory ferrules.
I keep hearing that the new Schon cues don't play as well as the old ones, not necessarily just when Bob Runde was there.
Since I haven't played with a new one it must be the older shaftwood people are talking about.
Old Schon shafts are very good.
As far as custom vs. production, I'm sure that Schon feels that their cues are custom, but I think they are somewhere in the middle.
If they are considered production cues, they are the best production cues in my opinion.
I have 2 of the very first batch of LTD cues, and they are great playing cues.
They play very good with any of my Schon shafts, but I especially like them with ivory ferrules.
I keep hearing that the new Schon cues don't play as well as the old ones, not necessarily just when Bob Runde was there.
Since I haven't played with a new one it must be the older shaftwood people are talking about.
Old Schon shafts are very good.
As far as custom vs. production, I'm sure that Schon feels that their cues are custom, but I think they are somewhere in the middle.
If they are considered production cues, they are the best production cues in my opinion.
I have 2 of the very first batch of LTD cues, and they are great playing cues.
Come on Ted-are you saying they are better then Lucasi?
Schon Hit
I have played Falcon, Meucci, Schon, Adama Balabushka series and I have to say my Schon is by far the most consistent. The hit is very nice and solid in comparison to the other production models. I have messed with a Pechauer and Predator and found that both are similar but not as good. Hope this helps. If you are looking to purchase a Schon PM me and I will show you the one I have for sale.
I have played Falcon, Meucci, Schon, Adama Balabushka series and I have to say my Schon is by far the most consistent. The hit is very nice and solid in comparison to the other production models. I have messed with a Pechauer and Predator and found that both are similar but not as good. Hope this helps. If you are looking to purchase a Schon PM me and I will show you the one I have for sale.
My favorite cue was my Joss, I miss it. It didn't hit like a Schon though. I then bought a Predator SP and it hit great but, still not a Schon. I have a custom Jacoby now and still would take my Joss back. But I think the closest thing production that feels like a Schon was a Mezz with the WD 700 shaft.
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I concur with the aboves. NOTHING hits like a Schon or the least as consistent from cue to cue. I've been buying cue since 1990. I have just about any cue. Rdeca is right - Not only Schon has it's own hit but consistent from cue to cue. That's why when you order a shaft they ask you to send in the butt so they can match it. They can go through dozens n dozens of shaft until they find the one that has the ping and bouya! Your Schon is now complete.
I'm not saying Schon hits better than custom cues but it does have it's own patent hit. NO production cue can touch Schon especially when it comes to consistency from cue after cue. My Bill Schick hits different from my friends Schick. I have a Szamboti style made by Richard Black it hits good but not like a Schon. My Dennis Searings hits so well I cringe everytime I hit aball with them but it doesn't hit like a Schon.
When it comes to straightness together and apart Schon from cue to cue is a Zero in straghtness together and apart. Of course this is if when you buy brand new from Schon not from someone else. All my SouthWests are straight together and apart but thats custom and they make less cues and way less of style they are all pretty much the same style. My Tad Kohara's hit among the best I've tried but IMO Schon designs looks better. In fact it blows away a lot of cues in design IMO. Most especially the SL models and LTD's
You have to at least own one one your arsenal.
I'm not saying Schon hits better than custom cues but it does have it's own patent hit. NO production cue can touch Schon especially when it comes to consistency from cue after cue. My Bill Schick hits different from my friends Schick. I have a Szamboti style made by Richard Black it hits good but not like a Schon. My Dennis Searings hits so well I cringe everytime I hit aball with them but it doesn't hit like a Schon.
When it comes to straightness together and apart Schon from cue to cue is a Zero in straghtness together and apart. Of course this is if when you buy brand new from Schon not from someone else. All my SouthWests are straight together and apart but thats custom and they make less cues and way less of style they are all pretty much the same style. My Tad Kohara's hit among the best I've tried but IMO Schon designs looks better. In fact it blows away a lot of cues in design IMO. Most especially the SL models and LTD's
You have to at least own one one your arsenal.
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I believe that Nova Cues hit very much like Schons. Same basic hit, but the feel to your hands seems a little better. I haven't measured the handles, but the Novas seem a little thinner.
Nubs Wagner (Nova Cues) worked for Schon when Runde was still there, and their influence was pretty obvious. I have owned a bunch of Novas and Schons and love the way they hit. Nova's consistency is amazing, just like Schon's.
I think Nub's finish is considerably better than Schon's. I have had one Nova for ten years that has seen lots of use and should have dings on it to prove it. It's finish looks like brand new. In fairness to Schon, they have a much larger production line than Nova did, and since Nubs usually had a one man shop, he was able to treat his cues like customs and could spend time applying his finish by hand.
The down side is that Nova is not making cues these days, so you have to get one on the secondary market...
Steve
Nubs Wagner (Nova Cues) worked for Schon when Runde was still there, and their influence was pretty obvious. I have owned a bunch of Novas and Schons and love the way they hit. Nova's consistency is amazing, just like Schon's.
I think Nub's finish is considerably better than Schon's. I have had one Nova for ten years that has seen lots of use and should have dings on it to prove it. It's finish looks like brand new. In fairness to Schon, they have a much larger production line than Nova did, and since Nubs usually had a one man shop, he was able to treat his cues like customs and could spend time applying his finish by hand.
The down side is that Nova is not making cues these days, so you have to get one on the secondary market...
Steve
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I was looking to buy another cue from a local pool room (used) dealer / buddy.
He laid out a sneaky pete, two mc dermotts (wood and steel joints) and 3 schon's (mid 90's STL's I think)...
All three schons played the same from a feeling perspective. I strongly disliked the wood-joint feeling so that X'ed the pete and one of the mcdermotts. I was (at the time) semi split in two ways - the steel jointed 1990's mc dermott or one of the schons.
I ended up with an Elite Schon and spent 3 months or so as the only cue.
I asked to see the steel jointed Mc Dermott again ..it sucked. I disliked just about everything about it. butt felt thin, the hit felt soft & hollow.
Anyhow, my point is, i'm an awful player, but I clearly know what I like playing with from a personal 'feel' of the cue. I think i was lucky to have an array of cues to play with game after game and it really was the schon that I liked. now that i've had the #11 elite for a while, I wouldn't want anything else. not because of the 60lbs of ivory on it or that crap - i'm just use to how it plays now (its a forward weight cue).
what i did lean from it was "i have a personal preference", schon fit it very well. but it was amazing to me going back and trying the cue i thought i liked after playing with the Schon for a while. I didn't like it at all.
..just my two worthless cents added to the pot.
He laid out a sneaky pete, two mc dermotts (wood and steel joints) and 3 schon's (mid 90's STL's I think)...
All three schons played the same from a feeling perspective. I strongly disliked the wood-joint feeling so that X'ed the pete and one of the mcdermotts. I was (at the time) semi split in two ways - the steel jointed 1990's mc dermott or one of the schons.
I ended up with an Elite Schon and spent 3 months or so as the only cue.
I asked to see the steel jointed Mc Dermott again ..it sucked. I disliked just about everything about it. butt felt thin, the hit felt soft & hollow.
Anyhow, my point is, i'm an awful player, but I clearly know what I like playing with from a personal 'feel' of the cue. I think i was lucky to have an array of cues to play with game after game and it really was the schon that I liked. now that i've had the #11 elite for a while, I wouldn't want anything else. not because of the 60lbs of ivory on it or that crap - i'm just use to how it plays now (its a forward weight cue).
what i did lean from it was "i have a personal preference", schon fit it very well. but it was amazing to me going back and trying the cue i thought i liked after playing with the Schon for a while. I didn't like it at all.
..just my two worthless cents added to the pot.
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I have a European style NOVA, (thinner) getting finnished and 2 shafts from LP. The Poster is correct about Nova and schon I fell. I always Performed better with Danny Janes custom Joss,- except for the Hustler Schon made in the early days,Right when cues switched from 57 " to 58". I have problems swallowing (the High Prices for New Schons)-( whats the mark up these days like 75%-100%, minuminum there are good deals on New old Unplayed cues!!! Heck the Dealers get like 45-55% off !!!!!!!!. Schon cues are Balabuska knock offs. The inlay work is exceptional(it's computer, cnc). I have many differen't schon shafts and there are huge differences!!!!! mark
I have a European style NOVA, (thinner) getting finnished and 2 shafts from LP. The Poster is correct about Nova and schon I fell. I always Performed better with Danny Janes custom Joss,- except for the Hustler Schon made in the early days,Right when cues switched from 57 " to 58". I have problems swallowing (the High Prices for New Schons)-( whats the mark up these days like 75%-100%, minuminum there are good deals on New old Unplayed cues!!! Heck the Dealers get like 45-55% off !!!!!!!!. Schon cues are Balabuska knock offs. The inlay work is exceptional(it's computer, cnc). I have many differen't schon shafts and there are huge differences!!!!! mark
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I'm not sure sure that it's a high price. The E11 has 6 ivory points, today it would cost about $300 per point/inlay .. nevermind the windows on the butt or the mother of pearl inside the windows.
Those semi costly materials really do add up. I am in the process of a buying a custom cue, the cue smith was very forward saying ivory is going to hike the price up a bit. The basic reason was handling, cutting, etc. He said something to the effect of having to replace the ivory pieces if he broke 'em during the building process. So, at least $1,200 in inlay/point work (all ivory) at cost. Nevermind any ring work or whatnot.
I think its semi high, sure, but with the materials adding up to close to half of the cue's overall cost - maybe they're not to high priced?
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I have been playing pool for about 7 years now and use to play with a Schon CX-51. I loved that cue and it was the best playing cue I've ever shot with. I put a Predator 314 on the cue and thought it shot even better and then I was introduced to the Z2 shaft. Since playing with the Schon with the Z2 I have always been partial to that hit/feel. I had to sell the cue and the shafts (and my Bk2 and Instroke buffalo leather 3x5). After getting back into things I have been shooting with a Predator sneaky pete with a Z2 shaft. Just the other night I bought a Schon ST1-EB Cocobolo and it is just beautiful. Now I just need 2 Z2 shafts and I'll be set.
But I don't know anyone that's shot with a Schon and not liked it. Very well made cues.
I have been playing pool for about 7 years now and use to play with a Schon CX-51. I loved that cue and it was the best playing cue I've ever shot with. I put a Predator 314 on the cue and thought it shot even better and then I was introduced to the Z2 shaft. Since playing with the Schon with the Z2 I have always been partial to that hit/feel. I had to sell the cue and the shafts (and my Bk2 and Instroke buffalo leather 3x5). After getting back into things I have been shooting with a Predator sneaky pete with a Z2 shaft. Just the other night I bought a Schon ST1-EB Cocobolo and it is just beautiful. Now I just need 2 Z2 shafts and I'll be set.
But I don't know anyone that's shot with a Schon and not liked it. Very well made cues.
I had 2 early Shön cues. One was stolen, and I traded the other for an early JossWest cue. I played the early Schöns for about 10 years, and the JossWest for 18 years. If I had been able to put a Schön tip on the JossWest, it would have been very similar in hit. As it was, there were similarities. I just went back to a Schön CX-04, and if anything, it is the best hitting cue I have owned. Pure blasphemy, but I like this one better than the early ones. I would not characterize Schön as a production cue, but rather as a semi-custom. There are only 5 guys there making them on lathes. Those guys give too much care to each cue they produce, and the number produced is limited.
I bought a 1st year of production 314 for a Schön, and I hated it. It is almost like new. I prefer the Schön shaft. Want to buy an original 314 for a Schön? $165 shipped, perfect shape, unsanded, straight as the day I bought it.
I have a 314-2 with the Schon logo. So the joint matches perfectly just like the stock shaft. Even though the 314-2 performs better, you loose all that "Schon" hit feeling with it. In that sense I like the Schon shaft better, despite all the deflection that comes with it.
