Scuttlebutt in Wyoming

[justadub]

If even a portion of this whole story is true and accurate, it is beyond ridiculous. And sadly these accounts probably are true enough.

(I say all of that because it is heresay. We have to remember to allow for variances in what actually happened when this stuff comes up. Even though I believe these accounts...)

It truly seems as if CW is enjoying being the bad guy. It appears he had embraced being the villian, because he openly flaunts these behaviors, thumbing his nose at the rest of the pool world.

His involvement (and likely being the mastermind) in the ABP is the single biggest reason it is doomed to fail. And the single biggest reason people won't get behind the players and support them when the ABP is included in the conversation.

Truly sad.

 

[JoeyA]

I don't know if any of the story that was relayed to JAM is true or not. I've been around long enough to know that there are multiple sides to every story.

If a player intentionally moves in their chair while I am facing them, they are going to get a cold stare. The second time they do it, I'm going to embarass the shit out of them and I'll most likely throw in a couple of appropriate names for their behavior, no matter who they are. I've chastized pro players and amateur players for attempting to shark me and I will do it again. I'm not going to sit there and play the sharkinggame/no I'm not sharking you/oops, I'm sorry/I didn't mean that, BS.

You have to be on the one yard line to know if someone is sharking and knowing if they shark on purpose comes from experience in being exposed to it. If the other person has a reputation for sharking, their opponent is waiting for the opportunity to pounce on them which could set the stage for some reverse sharking.

I don't shark anyone and when they are facing me, I make great efforts to remain still. I wish others would do the same. I don't like bellowing at my opponent and calling them names. Someone might think it is reverse sharking on my part; but in my case, I promise you, it's not.

If you try to cheat me, especially in a pool tournament, you're not going to like it, I promise.

 

[Island Drive]

I don't know if any of the story that was relayed to JAM is true or not. I've been around long enough to know that there are multiple sides to every story.

If a player intentionally moves in their chair while I am facing them, they are going to get a cold stare. The second time they do it, I'm going to embarass the shit out of them and I'll most likely throw in a couple of appropriate names for their behavior, no matter who they are. I've chastized pro players and amateur players for attempting to shark me and I will do it again. I'm not going to sit there and play the sharkinggame/no I'm not sharking you/oops, I'm sorry/I didn't mean that, BS.

You have to be on the one yard line to know if someone is sharking and knowing if they shark on purpose comes from experience in being exposed to it. If the other person has a reputation for sharking, their opponent is waiting for the opportunity to pounce on them which could set the stage for some reverse sharking.

I don't shark anyone and when they are facing me, I make great efforts to remain still. I wish others would do the same. I don't like bellowing at my opponent and calling them names. Someone might think it is reverse sharking on my part; but in my case, I promise you, it's not.

If you try to cheat me, especially in a pool tournament, you're not going to like it, I promise.

I remember seeing Earl uncork while playing Chewy Rivera at the Denver Open in the early 80's (Chewy had em beat). He was seated/facing Chewy and did it during shot execution. This was the tipping point in tournament play, after that, match over, shooting player wins match. I think they call it Etiquette.

 

[covikebron]

Most of what has been said is true. A few minor errors but mostly accurate. And yes, I was there.

 

[01rkclassic]

Unfortunately, that was not the only sharking Charlie did during the tournament - nor the favoritism towards him from the tournament director. The match to get to the money round, Charlie was playing a local CO player that plays pretty good bar table 8-ball but has a reputation of playing slow. He had Charlie 3-0 and was playing very well so Charlie stopped the game to talk to the "tournament director" about his slow play. They put the match on the clock. Charlie than slowed to a crawl from what I was told by more than one person, including his opponent, but although they had them on the clock, Charlie was never penalized.

For someone with Charlie's stature as promoter, "Union" leader, whatever, he sure lives by a double standard. Bad form Charlie.

Dave

I've been wondering lately if CW is the Don King of pool,Charlie does what benefits Charlie to the detriment of pool until he finally kills the sport completely,just like Don King did with boxing.Only thing missing from Charlie is a jar of Dippity Doo and a messed up hair cut!

 

[dkleather]

There is nothing wrong with chopping prizemoney, it has been done for years in almost all sports. In most other sports the participants have the intellect to understand that it removes the shine from an event for the general public.

We do not have that level of intellect in our game. In fact the very opposite applies, they brag about it. The fact that these things are done for such small sums speaks for itself.

As for "professional" pool players, if they were to concentrate more on the part of "professional" that focuses on demeanour, level of etiquette, personal presentation etc etc, they might find making money easier.

We have chosen to play a game where money is difficult to come by, I have lost count of the number of pool players I have known who have left the sport to increase their standard of life by (whisper it) "working for a living".

The result of this, of course is an increasing desperation by so called professional to cash in tournaments and effectively suck all the money out of the enthusiasts. Now, I believe that those who have devoted their lives to the game and who have the most ability should get the most rewards, this is not a kindergarten where we cannot tell the fat kid he is fat and we cannot tell the kid who has spent two days trying to fit the square peg in the round hole he is stupid, this is a game played for money and the best should thrive.

How often do these "professionals" do anything to help/grow/promote the game?

As for CW he certainly seems to be (from what I read on here) an objectionable character. Accusing an opponent of cheating is an old ploy I have seen used often, it puts them on the back foot while allowing the accuser to remain in the right.

If a "professional pool player" can even see an opponent moving when he is at the table then that, for me, highlights mental weakness of the first degree. Not what I would be looking for in a Mosconi Cup Captain.

*A definition of the phrase highlighted in red can be found on google.