Searing on ebay
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Speculation on your part. I made no other point than" great" is not applicable for the cue or cuemaker. Sorry it went over your head...whoooooshskins said:
letsroll said:
I'll tell you what is ridiculous, is someone like yourself making statements with little or no knowledge of what you are talking about.
I have a Kersenbrock that was made with a titlest blank, I also own a Balabushka that was also made with a titlest blank. These two cues shouldn't be called custom cues?
As far as anyone knows Balabushka never made his own blanks so he isn't a custom cue maker? He just took someone elses points, slapped on a joint and a butt cap, made a shaft and actually called them custom cues!
Searing has made a lot more entire cues than conversions. If I had my choice I would rather own a cue that was made entirely by him, but if this cue was it would be worth much more than $1,500.
Every cue maker that I know of has done some conversions, I have a Gilbert that has Szamboti points, and have been offered 5K for the cue.
I am in the market for a Balabushka using Szamboti points if anyone know of one by the way!
I don't know what cue you play with, but I would hazzard a guess that it won't increase in value as much as a Searing.
If playability is your only concern a one piece cue hits about as good as anything. Put a proper tapper and a good tip on a house cue and it will play great for about $50.
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I think he knew exactly what he was talking about,you are the one who missed the point. The legendary status some think they can bestow on any cuemaker on a whim is the point. I don't care what you are willing to pay for any new cuemakers work,the fact that they have not stood the test of time like the true great cuemakers have precludes them from being mentioned in the same breath with the true masters.
hangemhigh said:
I own cues from virtually every major cue maker dead and alive, including all of the greats. I also own several Searings and I can tell you that his work is as good or better than any cue I own. If you want to talk value, the fair market is a pretty good indicator of what something is worth. If you can come up with a better system please let me know.
To me it doesn't matter if a cue maker has been making cues for a week or 50 years, if his cues are exceptional I will buy them. So far I have been very sucessful in purchasing cues and have made hundreds of thousands on cues so I think I will stick with my system and not yours.
It all depends on your risk / reward, buying Balabushkas and Szambotis will always be good investments but you will pay dearly and the amount they appreciate will be quite linear. Buying a lesser known cue maker can result in much bigger gains, but you could also take a loss if you don't buy right or they never become famous. I started buying Szambotis many years ago, long before his cues became so valuable. I still buy them if a nice one shows up at the right price, but it is a lot of money to tie up for a limited return.
Now to get back on point, I was stating that he didn't know what he was talking about stating that a cue maker that has done conversions are not custom cues. Do you argue with this point?
Yeah,you have your opinion and it is not the prevailing one amoung cue collectors or players. You can tout a certian cuemaker all you want and try and convince others that the maker should be considered amoung the greatest but you know as well as I do that you are just hoping that will be the case......someday.
hangemhigh said:
I guess we talk to different colletors, becasue it is rare that anyone has a bad thing to say about Searings except he doesn't make enough of them. I am not trying to convince anyone that Searings are going to be one of the best investments in cues, in fact it would work out better for me if they weren't as sought after because I could buy them cheaper. It is a nice feeling to know that anything you buy is going to go up in value in the future, but the truth of the matter is if you don't plan on selling it doesn't matter.
I know of many cue makers that are considered great where their quality isn't very good. The work in most Balabushka's wasn't that great, but most of them played really good. I have hit balls with ones that didn't play well though. I have a Burton Spain cue that was one of his EOL (End of Line) cues, the workmanship in that cue isn't the greatest but he was literaly dying when it was made. I wouldn't sell that cue for any reasonable amount of money because of its history.
If you don't like Searings that is fine, one less person I don't have to compete with!
Lose the chip on your shoulder! Just because someone is not held in the same regard as the greats is not disparaging,only factual. You should reread my posts and see if you can find the quote where I said any collector had bad things to say about any cuemaker. I cannot make the point any clearer than I allready have ,so I will leave you with this:
A man convinced against his will remains convinced unstill
A man convinced against his will remains convinced unstill
We all know he can't hold a candle to John Showman's work!merylane said:
merylane said:
Had about 5 of his cues,If were talking work,well,I think your work is alot more detailed and nicer. If you were on his list and tried contacting him many times and got no response you might feel the same way
(like me). Guess i dont rate
Oh well,there's many cuemakers out there and I'll survive. This may offend some cuemakers but I'm sorry. I never had this kind of experience when I contacted you,always professional and responded. Seems like I aint the only one who have had this experience either. But Dennis is a nice guy and when he does respond he is professional and very talkative. And I do have his cell and shop number but I wont hound him if thats the way it is,its not a problem.Maybe thats why his production is low,he's too busy getting calls
letsroll said:
So if I understand you correctly you are saying Dennis "Jacks" up his prices on his cues, please give me one example if you know that to be true.
As far as answering the phone he receives hundreds of calls per week and an unbelievable amount of emails every day and time dictates how many he can answer and respond to. I know Dennis appreciates all the calls and emails he receives.
As far as "cue making legend" Dennis seems to be very popular and many say they really love his workmanship and how his cues perform and because of that he has many orders.
The thing I find most disturbing is how you and a few others like you attack someone that has not said anything negative or doing anything wrong to you or anyone here.
The market place dictates what a cue will sell for. If I choose to spend
$ 2,000.00 on a house cue conversion or $ 20,000.00 on a highend ..well that's up to me and you what we will spend or not spend on a cue.
The bottom line is Dennis loves building cues and has been doing it for over 17 years and many love his work and as a result he receives many,many orders.
The unfortunate thing about AZ Billiards forum is the amount of nasty and negative posts, I mean I don't get it, most of us love pool and love cues and love talking about them. I think we could do without the attacks on fellow AZr's. It just ain't cool.
One can voice their opinion about a cue or product without attacking the cue makers or producers character or integrity.
It never hurts to be polite and show a little kindness towards others.
SCCues said:
Hello, I am not familiar with you or your cues, it appears that you maybe a cue maker or dealer and if that is true and you built or offered a "house cue" conversion for sale and I offered you $ 1,500.00 would you take it?
What if you saw a SC conversion cue for sale on Ebay and you saw the price was $1,500.00, would you (SC Cues) send the seller an email saying that the SC Cue you have for sale is not worth $1,500.00, that it is not up to the buyer to decide on what he is willing to spend on your cue on the open market?
If it has an "S" or "SC Cues" logo or whatever logo, buyers decide what a cue will go for. And if I were you and if you are a cue maker I would be real happy people appreciated and loved my cues and were willing to pay a handsome price to own one.
hangemhigh said:
I have a favorite quote, I will leave you with this:
"You can't fix stupid"
Dennis jacks his prices? Letsroll, you are one misinformed person . Dennis is the most underpriced cue maker on earth, thank you very much. I have asked him on several occasions to raise his prices, I don't see why all the money should be made outside of his workshop.
Please people, lets be clear about this.....Dennis has already cemented his place in history with the few cues he has made to date.
I will sit here and argue the point all day, Dennis makes the best work and he should charge more. Also, can anyone imagine how many calls he gets a day?
As far as paying $1500 for a conversion, I would have bought it if I had seen it. Some people here quite clearly haven't had a Searing in their hands.
Please people, lets be clear about this.....Dennis has already cemented his place in history with the few cues he has made to date.
I will sit here and argue the point all day, Dennis makes the best work and he should charge more. Also, can anyone imagine how many calls he gets a day?
As far as paying $1500 for a conversion, I would have bought it if I had seen it. Some people here quite clearly haven't had a Searing in their hands.
THATS WHY YOUR ALWAYS BROKETheMarsMan said: