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This is the usual misconception about ghost ball. The ghost ball is located at whatever position is needed for the shot, not necessarily on the straight-in OB/pocket line.

pj
chgo

Yes, as I wrote one needs to find a spot that hit with the CB will send the OB center pocket, whatever method. If you use GB you line it up to whatever part of the pocket is necessary for the OB to enter center pocket after its hit with the CB.
 
Take a few shots from the DVDs where you know the visuals and the pivot (or the 5 shots that were mentioned often here).

Mark the spot on the cloth for each shot which sends the OB center pocket, when CB goes over it, use whatever method you want to find the correct spot (ghost ball, CP2CP, try and error, etc.).

Now, lets say for the example of the 5 different shots, set the CB and OB in all the predefined positions, go down in shooting position and aim the stick center CB to the marked spot on the cloth using the recommended bridge distance for that CB-OB distance (on the CTE Pro1 DVDs). Now pivot to the inside of the CB half a tip and pause. Now carefully stand up as straight back as you can. Now look for the two visual lines.

Repeat for all five shots and see what happens. :eek:

You can use the "Arrow" to mark the spot/s.
 
Always willing (if there is, at least, some bare minimum of a logical rationale that supports what I'm trying.)

Thanks for the link.

- s.west

Sam, I'm not posting this to whack you because I think you really would like to dig deeper into the system.

But logical rationale applies 100% to Joe Tucker's CTP2CTP. Seriously, it makes sense to link the 1-9 numbers on both balls and if focus is strong enough to add another 9 in between each number for a total of 18. With pocket size, pocket slop, and speed it covers all shots from straight in to almost 90 degrees. Mathematically
it's all there. The trick is to pick the correct numbers for both balls or an equal and opposite spot on the CB to OB if you're using traditional CTP without numbers.

If logical rationale is what you base your motivation on to try an aiming system and use it to play, CTP would be far better suited and you need not go any further.

When you only have four aim alignments as opposed to 9 or 18, there's no logical rationale right from the start which is why most can't get past it to learn or work with CTE. It's a constant mental battle to force yourself to do things that are counterintuitive to what you've been using your entire pool life.

90/90 fits in the same category as CTE for being illogical and both use pivots. 90/90 might even be more illogical but it does work extremely well.

Are you using manual pivots or PRO1 where it's all in the eyes and setup? If it's PRO1 it could be you aren't ready for it and doing it incorrectly.

If you're going to pursue it, forget logic up front. Just work with the visuals and instructions. You can always go back to whatever you've been using.
 
If you're willing to try stuff out on the table, read this and try it, it just might help you:

http://www.billiardsthegame.com/cte-dissecting-the-pivot-855

"So to summarize, the pivot is not a mechanical rotation on the bridge hand. Instead, the pivot takes us to the center cue ball perception such that the cue points directly through the core of the object ball..."

Is the core of the OB through its center?
Is that post pivot with the tip aimed at the center of the CB?
Is that a straight in shot?

Be well
 
"So to summarize, the pivot is not a mechanical rotation on the bridge hand. Instead, the pivot takes us to the center cue ball perception such that the cue points directly through the core of the object ball..."



Is the core of the OB through its center?

Is that post pivot with the tip aimed at the center of the CB?

Is that a straight in shot?



Be well


Yes yes yes. When your eyes are 1/2 tip offset to CCB and you look at CCB from there, it is a new CCB slightly across the original CCB line. Or effectively the post pivot shot line.
 
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...it makes sense to link the 1-9 numbers on both balls and if focus is strong enough to add another 9 in between each number for a total of 18. With pocket size, pocket slop, and speed it covers all shots from straight in to almost 90 degrees.
No, it doesn't, unless the OB is within 24" of the pocket and at an advantageous angle (36" for a bucket pocket).

If you're going to pursue it, forget logic up front.
And geometry - we know that doesn't apply to pool.

pj
chgo
 
And geometry - we know that doesn't apply to pool.

pj
chgo

We know you don't apply yourself to playing real pool, only keyboard pool.

When balls go into the pockets from all angles and all distances one after another with CTE, the geometry is kicking in as it should. That's ALL that matters.

If you want to stand around with your protractors, T-squares, lasers, measuring tape, and scientific calculator before and after every shot or for the next 20 years on a pool forum, have at it. I could care less other than balls go in.
 
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